Anyone who has heard a system with a well integrated subwoofer knows how much "realness" it adds, even to non-bass heavy music tracks. So why don't speaker manufacturer's just add the sub into their cabinet, especially on these huge, tall speakers?
Anyone who has heard a system with a well integrated subwoofer knows how much "realness" it adds, even to non-bass heavy music tracks. So why don't speaker manufacturer's just add the sub into their cabinet, especially on these huge, tall speakers?
To me, however, the ideal remains to use several subwoofers in the Geddes (my preferred) or Harman configurations. (similar but substantially different) Best bass and best way to deal with room modes IMO.
That's good thinking . The problem is one of sales. I asked one of the major speaker designers why they don't make active speakers. He said he absolutely believes he can make a better speaker+amp combo that way but that the market demands separates so that is what they produce.I'm somewhat surprised that more main stream speaker companies don't offer products where the sub(s) is/are separate from the mains and provide the separate DSP "box" for proper integration as part of the overall solution.
I totally concur. And with today's DSP's (pick your poison), the effective and accurate integration of mains to subs is not particularly difficult.
I'm somewhat surprised that more main stream speaker companies don't offer products where the sub(s) is/are separate from the mains and provide the separate DSP "box" for proper integration as part of the overall solution.
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I more or less agree with puro.. The problems that remains IMO unresolved with those designs is the fact that the best position for the main is not necessarily the best for the low bass... All speakers with subwoofers in the same cabinet have that limitation, EQ can help but is not a panacea. A good way is to separate sub-bass from upper bass as is the case with a few speakers, four towers configuration The Genesis, Gryphon, Tidal Topf of the Line, NOLA TOp of The Line come to mind but also another speaker whose driver configuration I like immensely the MM7, even heard it nor any Evo Acoustics speaker but I like the fact that the main are full range (pretty unique, I don't know of any other speaker doing that) and the subs are... well ..subs independent of the main which allow placement for best bass more achievable .. Of course the same can be achieved by using subs with a full range speaker .. This one comes with its own made-for-its-purpose-and-included-in-the-price complement of serious subwoofing ...
To me, however, the ideal remains to use several subwoofers in the Geddes (my preferred) or Harman configurations. (similar but substantially different) Best bass and best way to deal with room modes IMO.
I asked one of the major speaker designers why they don't make active speakers. He said he absolutely believes he can make a better speaker+amp combo that way but that the market demands separates so that is what they produce.
If the MM7's have active crossovers, then Evolution Acoustics is using a DSP solution for bass integration with the MM7 speakers.Mike Lavigne said:the 2 channel marketplace (above say $10k) will never widely accept a DSP solution to bass integration. i know i won't. period.
Anyone who has heard a system with a well integrated subwoofer knows how much "realness" it adds, even to non-bass heavy music tracks. So why don't speaker manufacturer's just add the sub into their cabinet, especially on these huge, tall speakers?
I think a better question is why is it that most (almost all) audiophiles don't incorporate what IMO is the one real fruit of Floyd Toole's research and use 4 subwoofers, one in each corner of a room? It works, it's not all that expensive by audiophile standards, and it solves a real problem but it seems nobody uses it. I think one subwoofer is the worst choice. If you're going to have subwoofers, a minimum of two should be the norm. Four seems ideal for most rooms.
many of the floor standing speaker systems with side-firing bass woofers are essentialy a 2-way or 3-way with sub (passive in the majority of cases).
Anyone who has heard a system with a well integrated subwoofer knows how much "realness" it adds, even to non-bass heavy music tracks. So why don't speaker manufacturer's just add the sub into their cabinet, especially on these huge, tall speakers?
I think a better question is why is it that most (almost all) audiophiles don't incorporate what IMO is the one real fruit of Floyd Toole's research and use 4 subwoofers, one in each corner of a room? It works, it's not all that expensive by audiophile standards, and it solves a real problem but it seems nobody uses it. I think one subwoofer is the worst choice. If you're going to have subwoofers, a minimum of two should be the norm. Four seems ideal for most rooms.
< snip> That combines for a total of 24 drivers moving air in the room.
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