Taiko Audio SGM Extreme : the Crème de la Crème
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That's an eternity if there isn't supposed to be a gap.
I am sure they will come up with a solution.
if there has to be a tradeoff, it should be selectable as an option from the remote.
hopefully that won't be necessary, but gapless is a deal breaker for me.
a (short!) extra delay between tracks that already have silence between them is probably not a big issue, but for live concerts or Abbey Road, even a short interruption most certainly is, IMHO
don't forget, we're talking about an alpha release, not even a beta, so let's not get carried away and give Emile et son equipe some time to work this all out.
Yes you can disable it. We could also consider preloading / treating an entire Album. Or preload the next track an X amount of time before the current track stops. The largest file I tried was a 4Gb file which took 32 seconds, equivalent to 6 or 7 16/44.1 CD's or a complete DSD256 album. That was from local storage, from Qobuz the internet download speed would be a factor.
The pause is proportional to track length and sample rate.
It’s like with cooking, good things can’t be rushed
It’s a bit like an old master waiter making zabaione at your table, too fast and too hot a flame, it collapses . . .
I have been running a optimized wired network to my Extreme using my MacBook Pro to control Roon. Since TAS can only be controlled through an IPAD, what are other Extreme owners using to transmit a wifi signal.
My current network is ATT Fiber --> ONT --> EdgeX --> M12 --> Extreme.
My current network is ATT Fiber --> ONT --> EdgeX --> M12 --> Extreme.
my first impressions on the 'pause' is that it results in a relaxed and positive listening experience. i found that i anticipated the music starting, i had time to complete the enjoyment and afterglow of the previous track, and it made the experience overall more satisfying.
ask me in a week or two and we will see if i still feel that way. i think you have to get to a relaxed listening place to see how it works for you.
if that is the 'gotcha' for TAS then sign me up.
ask me in a week or two and we will see if i still feel that way. i think you have to get to a relaxed listening place to see how it works for you.
if that is the 'gotcha' for TAS then sign me up.
In some cases I found the lag to be even longer. Personally it is the single biggest distraction for me
It’s like you said, the bigger the file the longer the delay.
I think that's a good way to go. Load the entire album or playlist. The Extreme has a lot more RAM than any other music server I have seen. I don't know if streaming services like Tidal/Qobuz allow that. Hopefully they do.
Building a player that is designed to work with the specific hardware is absolutely the best way to go in terms of sound quality. Congrats to Taiko for that decision and more importantly for making that happen and the first alpha release.
Creating software that satisfy everyone is a challenge. There would be nearly as many opinions as the people using it. And that is evident from the posts in the last 48 hours above. I see people who only care about SQ and that's all that matters to them. And there are those who prefer full functionality. And some in in between.
Here is how I see this.
- Roon is hard to beat in terms of functionality. It seems like it's lacking one function mentioned by a member above, but that is a rare exception. As far as I understand it, Roon would always be an option for Extreme users and will serve very well the people who have that as their priority.
- The problem with Roon is that they are not focused on sound quality. In fact I dare to say they don't care about sound quality (at all).
- And this is where the new player from Taiko takes over.
- It seems like TAS (or some parts of it) was designed with one main goal in mind - to achieve sound quality that is better than Roon and other players.
- It also seems like the Taiko team is convinced that they have accomplished that. And the next logical step was to share the software with a closed group of people to verify that is indeed the case in a wider range of systems. It's much easier to work with a small group of people in that stage.
- Taiko would iron out any wrinkles and release a beta version.
- This would be a constant work in progress - initially to improve the sound quality over other players, and then followed by adding more functionality until the gap with Roon gets much smaller.
If you are in one of the extremities, the solution is easy. If you care only about sound quality you switch to TAS and deal with the functionality issues (i.e. no gapless playback support, wait between songs, etc.). If you are on the other end end of the spectrum and prefer to have the functionality support, the solution is also easy - switch to Roon and enjoy it.
If you are somewhere in between, then you would need some extra patience.
Here is how I manage this: If I want to do a critical listening session, I shutdown Roon, start HQplayer, load my local files, disconnect the network and enjoy my playlist played with best SQ. If I listen music in the background or try to discover some new music on Qobuz, I use Roon.
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Thanks Emile.I have no doubt you will figure out what's best and most user friendly as TAS is refined.
As far as functionality I believe it is fair to say that we all prefer the Roon interface. What is important to understand is that the interface is an open code that will continue to be updated. There is no doubt in my mind that Emile will ultimately produce a product whose sound quality betters Roon and an interface that is as good or better than Roon
one thing I really miss that is on Roon is being able to show the format and resolution of the album or track. It makes life so much easier. Format and resolution is available in TAS but you have to already be playing the track to know what the resolution is
I don’t think any of us need to be concerned about the interface. It was the SQ which was the main factor in developing TAS but the interface will be made to have everything we want
If an entire album can be buffered before starting, this should not be an issue at all.
+1 on everything except Roon. i find Roon completely unusable do to its inability to navigate folders.
i understand that i'm in a minority on that issue.
i assume that the Roon powers-that-be view folder navigation with the same respect they have for SQ
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