System for 10K that will shame $30K systems all day long!

[NorthStar]

Mike Lavigne,

I disagree; it is not Mike's forum...it is yours, Steve, Amir (both administrators), all the founders, all the co-founders, all the members, all the readers, all of us. We all bring our part; you, me, Mike, Amir, Steve, all the founders and co-founders, all the members, ...participating/active.
That's a forum of real people having real discussions with ideas from all venues and life's direction/experience/knowledge/intelligence/maturity/human diversity.


This thread is about putting a $10,000 sound system together that will compete with more expensive systems.
I learned more from this thread than all the other threads assembled together. ...Almost. :b

Sorry, I had to say what's on my mind too. And I love you.

 

[andrew_stenhouse]

I miss Amir's graphs.

like I miss twisting my ankle compared to blowing out my ACL.

Oh that is gold.

 

[andrew_stenhouse]

That post was condescending, insulting and completely unnecessary and has been reported as such.

I seem to remember you saying something this to me in similar circumstances Dave:



Being a little precious aren't you?

 

[Blizzard]

Oh that is gold.

Andrew is also sad he had to dump his NADAC for $4500 off because he couldn't figure out how to hook it up. Even when provided clear as day support on the matter. Very sad times on WBF

BTW Andrew, how is the new campaign going trying to make new friends around here? I can see you have been making desperate attempts. But I do commend you for targeting the right people as they will likely respond as intended. I under-estimated you after all.

 

[andrew_stenhouse]

Andrew is also sad he had to dump his NADAC for $4500 off because he couldn't figure out how to hook it up. Even when provided clear as day support on the matter. Very sad times on WBF

BTW Andrew, how is the new campaign going trying to make new friends around here? I can see you have been making desperate attempts. But I do commend you for targeting the right people as they will likely respond as intended. I under-estimated you after all.

Ha ha - oh you are priceless.

What made you think I paid retail for the Nadac? It might interest you to know what cost to the distributor is on these units. Want to hazard a guess?

I got my money back thanks - or close enough it doesn't matter. And oddly - the Nadac either works or it doesn't. Ravenna is funny that way. Perhaps if you actually owned a unit you would know that. And I had it working perfectly thanks. In fact Edgar Kramer borrowed my entire set up for two weeks to review the Nadac, and it performed flawlessly. HQP dsped everything to DSD 256 without issue, when needed.

As usual speculation from the cheap DIY seats.

As for making new friends. Ha! I'm not insecure. I know who I am mate. Perhaps you think my friends here have been made since I started posting. It is a mistake thinking that.

 

[andrew_stenhouse]

ps - I have lost count how many times over the years have I seen some DIYer come along like you proclaiming their superiority and promising to take over the audio world by offering some new product at a fraction of the price of the offerings that the "audiofools" buy now, only to sink into obscurity and abject failure a few years later.

That is my prediction for you. You'll bounce around the forums making lots of noise, as you have, but won't make anything that anyone will actually buy outside of a small circle that are willing to drink the Kool Aid. Not least because however good your system may or may not sound - it comes with the crazy that you bring. You remind me very much of someone I know here. he has made a great dac. Really really good. But it comes with him. Which means no one buys it. Because it comes with him.

But good luck with that.

 

[Blizzard]

Ha ha - oh you are priceless.

What made you think I paid retail for the Nadac? It might interest you to know what cost to the distributor is on these units. Want to hazard a guess?

I got my money back thanks - or close enough it doesn't matter. And oddly - the Nadac either works or it doesn't. Ravenna is funny that way. Perhaps if you actually owned a unit you would know that. And I had it working perfectly thanks. In fact Edgar Kramer borrowed my entire set up for two weeks to review the Nadac, and it performed flawlessly. HQP dsped everything to DSD 256 without issue, when needed.

As usual speculation from the cheap DIY seats.

As for making new friends. Ha! I'm not insecure. I know who I am mate. Perhaps you think my friends here have been made since I started posting. It is a mistake thinking that.

yes you're right. Hook it up properly and it works, hook it up wrong and it doesn't imagine that!

Well I'm glad you have such a strong established friend base around here. Not sure why you are trying so hard then.

PS: Strong defence, should help your status with the elitists.

 

[DaveC]

I seem to remember you saying something this to me in similar circumstances Dave:

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Being a little precious aren't you?

Maybe, but the entire post was just a dig at Bliz and anyone who agrees with him, and he skillfully managed to add in a dig on Amir too... It was trolling and had no intent whatsoever to add to the discussion. Where people need to HTFU is WRT having their opinions and beliefs challenged, for example I don't get people who are annoyed with Amir. I've never seen him get personal or mean to anyone, ever. I can't see how anything he said has been insulting. I don't agree with everything but I don't see how people have a problem with it. What we don't need is a negative environment where people are mean to each other for no reason. I'm not saying I'm perfect, but I try.

IMO, people are entitled to their opinion and others can judge how much weight to give it. If having unqualified opinions on the internet was a crime, 95% of the population would be in jail. Telling someone their opinion isn't valid and shouldn't be posted is over the top.

Most people have heard Accuton drivers and various ribbon tweeters, it's not hard to guess how the speaker will sound in a general way. Of course you can't make detailed evaluations, but having the opinion the speaker is a good deal for the price is within the realm of being reasonable. The speaker is a pretty darn good deal for the money and it was designed by folks who are more than just competent. That should be pretty obvious. It's certainly not the speaker I would personally choose, but that's down to my own preferences and experience hearing the drivers in question in other speakers. I'd take the Odyssey Kismet monitors or something with a softer woofer and beryllium dome tweeter, preferably in a waveguide.

edit: can I recommend you and Bliz stop posting/arguing online and in public? Not to be rude but it's not doing either of you any good...

 

[andrew_stenhouse]

I don't get people who are annoyed with Amir.

You're kidding me right? Goodness. I am, in all seriousness, amazed. Amir is the biggest troll on WBF. He is just very, very clever about it, or uses people like Mike to do it for him. A complete pest in my view.

Not sure why you are trying so hard then.

I'm not trying at all. It is called being polite. You should try it sometime.

Want to guess what the distributor cost is Mike? You love the Nadac so much and champion it. Want to guess what the profit is on them to the dealer network and how much people have room to negotiate? No? not interested in that? My my.

Anyway, as I said, I've had enough crazy for today. I'm off for a swim.

Cherri Pip.

 

[Blizzard]

ps - I have lost count how many times over the years have I seen some DIYer come along like you proclaiming their superiority and promising to take over the audio world by offering some new product at a fraction of the price of the offerings that the "audiofools" buy now, only to sink into obscurity and abject failure a few years later.

That is my prediction for you. You'll bounce around the forums making lots of noise, as you have, but won't make anything that anyone will actually buy outside of a small circle that are willing to drink the Kool Aid. Not least because however good your system may or may not sound - it comes with the crazy that you bring. You remind me very much of someone I know here. he has made a great dac. Really really good. But it comes with him. Which means no one buys it. Because it comes with him.

But good luck with that.

I'm not offering anything here. Nothing on this thread is my products. Perhaps you should read the content of the tread before jumping straight to the end because you see your idol, Mike L made a post, and you wanted to be a hero and jump to his defence. You have done this many times on this forum so far. I wonder what the motive is?

 

[andrew_stenhouse]

I'm not offering anything here.

Really - isn't that the point of this thread.Your proclaimed superiority in your knowledge set to all us audiofools?

"Announcing your plans is a good way to make God laugh." (Al Swearengen, Deadwood). God will be laughing hard at you Mike.

Mike L. doesn't need any defence. He is a big boy. I was having a laugh out loud at what he posted. On the money as far I am am concerned.

Anyway - go you good thing. Let's see where you actually are in a couple years with your products and brilliant marketing plan. Mind you, as far as I can tell, it involves in all instances "you bringing the beers" which is the most sensible suggestion you have made in a while. When all else fails - get your audience half cut.

 

[Blizzard]

Really - isn't that the point of this thread.Your proclaimed superiority in your knowledge set to all us audiofools?

"Announcing your plans is a good way to make God laugh." (Al Swearengen, Deadwood). God will be laughing hard at you Mike.

Mike L. doesn't need any defence. He is a big boy. I was having a laugh out loud at what he posted. On the money as far I am am concerned.

Anyway - go you good thing. Let's see where you actually are in a couple years with your products and brilliant marketing plan. Mind you, as far as I can tell, it involves in all instances "you bringing the beers" which is the most sensible suggestion you have made in a while. When all else fails - get your audience half cut.

Ahhh, I can see since your ass kissing has gone unnoticed, you turn to what you think would be popular among the crowd you're desperately trying to befriend. Well fortunately the type of people that would will find the information I share educational, will also be intelligent enough to see through all the BS.

Anyways, keep up the good work, and good luck with the friendship campaign

PS: Read Andrew's post history for reference.

 

[BobShermanEsq]

Really - isn't that the point of this thread.Your proclaimed superiority in your knowledge set to all us audiofools?

"Announcing your plans is a good way to make God laugh." (Al Swearengen, Deadwood). God will be laughing hard at you Mike.

Mike L. doesn't need any defence. He is a big boy. I was having a laugh out loud at what he posted. On the money as far I am am concerned.

Anyway - go you good thing. Let's see where you actually are in a couple years with your products and brilliant marketing plan. Mind you, as far as I can tell, it involves in all instances "you bringing the beers" which is the most sensible suggestion you have made in a while. When all else fails - get your audience half cut.

You asked where he will be...

 

[BobShermanEsq]

This thread isn't for you Rodney. It's for people who have the ability to decipher BS from reality.

Yes people do realize that your threads are just total BS...

 

[BobShermanEsq]

Rodney; this is Bliz's forum now. get over it. and his sycophants follow him implicitly.

listening experience has nothing to do with it. actual performance of gear is secondary to a surface view of parts costs. a common view from the DIY world, and made truth now on WBF with repetition.

things are always as simple and linear as Bliz says they are.

I miss Amir's graphs.

like I miss twisting my ankle compared to blowing out my ACL.

You mean like missing a dental appointment?

 

[BobShermanEsq]

That post was condescending, insulting and completely unnecessary and has been reported as such.

You must be joking... smh

 

[PeterA]

Please re-read my previous post. I'm just dishing out the facts here. It's up to the readers to decide if the information is valid, or BS. My subjective opinion of the system would be much less meaningful than the information I've provided. But I do understand, those who have been salesmen, magazine, and forum educated, won't find much value in my threads.

How about those who have learned by doing, err, listening?

 

[BobShermanEsq]

This thread is about putting a $10,000 sound system together that will compete with more expensive systems.
I learned more from this thread than all the other threads assembled together. ...Almost. :b

Sorry, I had to say what's on my mind too. And I love you.

But honestly... What have you really learned. You are reading pure fiction. Anyone can pick out and print a list of items they have never heard, make assumptions on how they sound from their parts list, and proclaim they sound great! Is that really educational? Is that really what you want? Sorry but I find his proclamations moronic...

 

[Blizzard]

How about those who have learned by doing, err, listening?

I suppose it depends what you're listening to. If all you ever heard was mass marketed gear, it's hard to know how they would compare against some of the top stuff from direct sales manufacturers. The key to knowing why stuff sound like it does, is knowing what went into making them.

 

[BobShermanEsq]

How about those who have learned by doing, err, listening?

That would be too much like work... Why should he bother doing that...

You know there are savants... idiot savants... and then just plain idiots...