Difficult , i would also allow more space between the backwall and the speaker , and perhaps place them a little closer and play with toe in , i guess an acoustics expert will be good as well .
. . . .According to the link provided by goodwin, the q5 used to weigh 176kg, but according to magico website, they weigh 190.5kg. So was any mismatch between the shop/reviews etc and the manufacturer before or what???
The crates weigh much more than the 14.5kg difference you cite between sources. Therefore, the difference between net and shipping weights does NOT account for the difference.
Someone, somewhere along the line made an error in the specs.
Could be the weight on the magico site is indeed incl packaging .
I guess you could ask magico whether the Q 5 has had a revision in the meantime , i am sure they can answer that, i understand you already did.
Or maybe philip knows ???
Ps why dont you ask the authorised dealer you bought them from???
I got the wooden crates and I know how heavy they are Sir when moving them into my garage with helps from my dealer friend and a local audiophile friend, should be at least 50kg each. According to magico website, you can see they say the speaker weighs 420lbs (190.50kg) so a pair weighs 420lbs x 2 = 840lbs (381kg); and the shipping weight according to magico website is 1100lbs (498.95kg) for a pair of q5.
so there is something wrong here between magico website and others about this - dealers say 176kg per speaker -> 352kg for the pair -> 29 kg lighter than indicated by magico themselves.
Could be the weight on the magico site is indeed incl packaging .
I guess you could ask magico whether the Q 5 has had a revision in the meantime , i am sure they can answer that, i understand you already did.
Or maybe philip knows ???
Ps why dont you ask the authorised dealer you bought them from???
I did answer this same question several times Sir: Magico didnt answer this question and directed me to tas uk. I bought the q5 via my dealer friend and he told me the shop stocked only 1 pair of q5 and never played before sold to me - so they might not know about the differences Sir. They like and stock more sf speakers and even the flagship one, I've got the pic my friend took when he flight out to the shop in europe and checked the q5 for me to make sure everything is ok before making payment etc, my q5 was sitting next to the sonus faber in a very large room, they were unpacked and played for around 5 hours then crated again to ship to me.
Maybe you can check the dimensions of yours versus the one on the manufacturers site .
15 kilos more would " most likely " also mean a bigger speaker .
thank you Sir, especially about your comment regarding q5 specs. about my room, I will ask for help Sir, but many people came to my house and listened to the system do have the same feeling regarding the bass, its the truth Sir. Its quite an awkward room due to the original built and layout when a huge chimney breast block on the right side and I have the heater in front of the chimney, on the left side next to the left speaker as you can see from the pics which does affect the reflections etc. I will try to find the best solution to live with my system Sirs. I will post pictures of my room in every corner later today. your advises and suggestions are deeply appreciated.
Just wondering sonrock, on the inverse, you don't have any issues with excessive brightness which seems to be the more common complaint of q series speakers?
Maybe you can check the dimensions of yours versus the one on the manufacturers site .
15 kilos more would " most likely " also mean a bigger speaker .
I will do later today Sir but the dimensions are the same anywhere you can check Sir, so no need to worry about this. Just about the weights as I believe heavier speakers sound different from lighter ones. 15kg is not too much in this case but I think this will make differences
Just wondering sonrock, on the inverse, you don't have any issues with excessive brightness which seems to be the more common complaint of q series speakers?
not really Sir, my karan kam2000 monoblocks and einstein the tube mk2 preamp with 19 NOS tubes gold pins from Mullard (8 cv2493 + 1 Telefunken Ecc82 for the output) and Telefunken + Mullard + Siemens for 5 inputs (1 pair of Tele E288CC, 1 pair of Tele E188cc, 1 pair of Tele E88cc, 1 pair of Mullard E188CC, and 1 pair of Siemens Cca) sound completely different from what have been told about the q5, especially about their bass performance. The q5 driven by my electronics sound warm, musical and produce deep - touching bass besides tight and really punchy.
I did answer this same question several times Sir: Magico didnt answer this question and directed me to tas uk. I bought the q5 via my dealer friend and he told me the shop stocked only 1 pair of q5 and never played before sold to me - so they might not know about the differences Sir. They like and stock more sf speakers and even the flagship one, I've got the pic my friend took when he flight out to the shop in europe and checked the q5 for me to make sure everything is ok before making payment etc, my q5 was sitting next to the sonus faber in a very large room, they were unpacked and played for around 5 hours then crated again to ship to me.
Curious that no one asks a critical question - what type of building has your house? Rigid walls, drywall? Wood suspended floors and ceiling or modern concrete plates? You refer you have a bass trap. Can we know what brand and type? IMHO your room is not large enough to consider the the rule of the thirds.
BTW, do you know what are the tube amplifiers being shown with the TheSonusfaber?
Curious that no one asks a critical question - what type of building has your house? Rigid walls, drywall? Wood suspended floors and ceiling or modern concrete plates? You refer you have a bass trap. Can we know what brand and type? IMHO your room is not large enough to consider the the rule of the thirds.
BTW, do you know what are the tube amplifiers being shown with the TheSonusfaber?
Sonrock, looking at your room, it seems to me that you have a very tough configuration. The fireplace is obstructing the right speaker and you have what looks like a mild bay window with a lot of glass behind the speakers. When I have heard Q5's in the past, they have been in a large room with plenty of spread between the speakers. Looking at your room, I suspect that these speakers may be too large for your room. Removing the caster feet and installing the spikes will help, along with trying to minimize the impact of the fireplace hearth. I would suggest pulling the speakers forward of the hearth if that is possible or trying them on a different wall. One of the most important things in audio, at least IMHO, is to match the speaker/speaker size to your room....seems obvious but it isn't.
I basically own and run a chain of restaurants and an Ice Cream manufacturing plant with retail shops also. Have a lot of interest in audio and connected to it, but no time to breathe sir. Get very little time to brouse on the net unless it is work related. Will surely keep in touch. Bye for now as I am travelling extensively over the next 15 days and take care.
Sonrock, I'm a believer of the near field listening position and while I'm not on the extreme side of the equation, my friends have all commented that I seat to close to my speakers. I'd pull the q5's as far out into the room as possible, even halfway into the room or to a position where you can clear the fireplace. Since your speakers are on casters, all it entails is a little muscle. Modern speakers have such great dispersion that even if listened to in the extreme near field, they still produce a solid center image and holographic soundstage.
Sonrock, I'm a believer of the near field listening position and while I'm not on the extreme side of the equation, my friends have all commented that I seat to close to my speakers. I'd pull the q5's as far out into the room as possible, even halfway into the room or to a position where you can clear the fireplace. Since your speakers are on casters, all it entails is a little muscle. Modern speakers have such great dispersion that even if listened to in the extreme near field, they still produce a solid center image and holographic soundstage.
am sorry Sir for late replying as I am too busy and keep following the news of murder in London since yesterday. I took some pics yesterday and you can see. I will consider all of your advises Sir but at the moment I will try best with the current set up.
Regarding the casters, as I said, If I put the speakers on spikes I wont be able to move them. its a shame that I am such a small size of a man, and even with another mate, its still difficult to handle them in such a small place. More important, I am not when it is possible but I will build an extension at the back of the house and make a proper listening room with the size 5-6m x 7-8m, so until I move my speakers there and set them up correctly, I wont remove the casters Sir , so I am living with it
Regarding listening at the close position and with short distance between 2 speakers, I will try later Sir if the current set up and bass traps still dont cure the problem. When you see the pics you can see my auto setup detects the distance between the 2 speakers are balanced to my listening position at 3.30m, and I cant pull the speakers forward due to the block of the fireplace, the granite step.
Regarding glasses, yes the bay window, but they are properly covered by the very thick curtain as you see in the picture, so I see no problem in this case. I will consider any solutions Sir.
That is a lot of speaker and a WHOLE lot of amplifier power for your room sonrock. Can you tell us more about how your floor, ceiling and walls are constructed?
This may seem totally out of left field but would you consider trying to put spikes under your amp stands?
my house is a traditional brick house Sir, with bay window and the floor is concreted. ceiling I believe brick mixed with wood Sir, and walls are all brick.
I do have the spikes for the amp stands but the amp alone weighs 80kg and the stand is around 20kg. moving the amps around is quite tricky for me, especially when am small and not giant of a man like mr Karan who designed and made my amps, haha. more important that I am trying to relocating the equipment so when everything is done, I will put the spikes on Sir
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