Samsung loses patent suit to Apple

[Keith_W]

And Amir, that first line wasn't directed at you! The resident Apple-hater in this thread is, very obviously I thought, Keith_W

Keep bringing my name up? Perhaps I should remind you again - I am still waiting for a response as to whether you think Apple's patent on the rounded rectangle is ridiculous or not. You quoted an article that you failed to read properly which supported the opposite of what you were arguing. If you can not debate honestly, then leave the thread.

There were attempts by Samsung to establish prior art, Amir. It just didn't hold sway with the jurors.

As I have stated several times in this thread, as well as numerous articles I have linked to - the jury foreman directed the jurors to ignore prior art despite the instructions given to the jury by the judge. What part of this do you not understand? Mark my words, the judgement is going to be thrown out.

Samsung demonstrated a video of a massive "tablet" they designed apparently in 2002 or 2003, with touch-based UI, running Windows. Never became a product, but they tried to use that to establish prior art.

You mean, this?

How are you supposed to challenge someone else's patents without providing proof, prior art, etc.? As I said, Samsung's lawyers were more interested in attacking Apple, and didn't bother attacking their patents.

Oh brother, you obviously have not been following the trial. Who says that Samsung's lawyers didn't bother attacking the patents? Do you want to put money on that? How much? It would take less than a minute to link you to half a dozen articles demonstrating otherwise, but given that your reading skills are so inadequate that you go around triumphantly linking articles that demonstrate the opposite of what you are going to argue, there isn't much point is there?

---So, what is Best; Apple iPad (iPhone) latest iteration (4, 5?) or Samsung Galaxy latest (SIII, SIV?) and coolest communication/application technological gadget (device)? :b

Hi Bob, right now I would have to say that the best tablet is the new iPad. It has by far the highest pixel density of any device - the screen is just amazing. This really makes a difference if you use tablets like I do - to read magazines, books, and webpages. It also has the most aftermarket apps written for it. If you want a non-Apple tablet, the best is currently the Asus Transformer TF700T. It has the highest pixel density of all Android tablets (though not as high as the iPad), it is very light, and it is built very well. You can also buy an optional keyboard dock, which doubles as a battery backup and port replicator. If your needs are simple, and all you want to use your tablet for is to read and surf, an Android tablet would be sufficient. But if you want more versatility, I would still recommend the iPad.

The best phone is probably a toss-up between the Galaxy S3 and the HTC One X - or perhaps the newly announced Samsung Galaxy Note 2. It hasn't hit the markets yet so it's hard to tell. The latest Android is far and away superior to any version of iOS, probably including iOS 6. The phones are slimmer, lighter, cheaper, and have bigger and better screens. There really is no contest when it comes to phones.

 

[Orb]

I have to say Amir,
I think the Samsung legal team screwed up by not considering a narrative for a jury to follow that they could connect with.
There are many cases of form following function or ergonomics and these should had been used by Samsung team to show how stupid the Apple court case was with regards to the shape of Samsung product and why it should not be possible to patent a shape.
Case in point; plasma/lcd TVs that now days have incredibly similar shape, monitors, computer mice for those using more advanced comfortable look (most have near same shape-size).
The list is endless and also goes beyond computer related tech when one takes form follows function-ergonomics and how technology-products evolve and converge to quite an extent in shape-size.

Just my take anyway, and if left to stand this would open a massive can of worms if others decided to behave like Apple.
For now, makes owning Apple shares pretty good though as a defensive stock in these tricky times
However I do not like their business approach on this; wonder those who always use to criticise Microsoft will finally realise how ruthless Apple is, more so IMO and amazed how they are still able to maintain dominant walled garden product-services unlike Microsoft who had to open up their OS and solutions.
Cheers
Orb

 

[NorthStar]

Hi Bob, right now I would have to say that the best tablet is the new iPad. It has by far the highest pixel density of any device - the screen is just amazing. This really makes a difference if you use tablets like I do - to read magazines, books, and webpages. It also has the most aftermarket apps written for it. If you want a non-Apple tablet, the best is currently the Asus Transformer TF700T. It has the highest pixel density of all Android tablets (though not as high as the iPad), it is very light, and it is built very well. You can also buy an optional keyboard dock, which doubles as a battery backup and port replicator. If your needs are simple, and all you want to use your tablet for is to read and surf, an Android tablet would be sufficient. But if you want more versatility, I would still recommend the iPad.

The best phone is probably a toss-up between the Galaxy S3 and the HTC One X - or perhaps the newly announced Samsung Galaxy Note 2. It hasn't hit the markets yet so it's hard to tell. The latest Android is far and away superior to any version of iOS, probably including iOS 6. The phones are slimmer, lighter, cheaper, and have bigger and better screens. There really is no contest when it comes to phones.

-----Thanx Keith, this is great; your response is very clear, instructive, and to the point.

 

[NorthStar]

---By the way guys, should I buy Apple shares? :b

 

[Orb]

Great and comfortable defensive stock if one was in earlier in the year or when under $600 beginning of August.
Cheers
Orb

 

[Keith_W]

---By the way guys, should I buy Apple shares? :b

Depends on how long you want to hang on to them. Apple share value should go up after the iPhone 5 is released, but there are danger signs. The main one is that Apple will struggle to keep up with supply. Rumours abound that Sharp has yet to begin mass production of the screens of the iPhone 5 - if true, this will bottleneck production. Furthermore, the iPhone 5 will supposedly introduce a new dock connector and debut iOS 6, which promises to be a bit of a let-down. I suspect that Apple shares will rise as usual, but it will not rise as much as it did when the original iPhone, the 3G, the 4, and the original iPad were released.

Further increases of the share price will depend on whether Apple can continue its current growth. Can you think of any new device on the horizon that will open new rivers of gold for Apple? If anything, Apple has started to look inward and rest on its laurels, just like they did after the first departure of Steve Jobs. It will take another product cycle to be sure.

 

[NorthStar]

---How many people here have been burnt in the past for investing in "sound" companies,
only to see their share prices stumbled?

Lol, the stock market (Dow Jones, Nasdaq, ...) are run by people who speculate and gamble.

If you want some' solid, invest in solid people first.

* Thx Orb, thx Keith, but no thx. :b

 

[Phelonious Ponk]

The problem with owning apple stock is you never know when to sell...it just keeps going up. I've thought about selling a dozen times. I've always been glad I didn't. There are still opportunities to repeat, in different products/markets the pattern if success they've enjoyed since Jobs returned. The question,of course, is will they do it now that he has left.

Tim

 

[NorthStar]

---Exactemente; speculation. :b

* By the way, last night I discovered two dead pixels on my Samsung plasma HDTV!

 

[Keith_W]

Not sure if you guys can read this: http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...-to-tackle-apple/story-fnb64oi6-1226463493997

LOS ANGELES: He was the actor who refused to die hard. Now Hollywood star Bruce Willis is preparing to take on technology giant Apple in a battle over who owns his vast collection of digital music when he dies.

The 57-year-old action hero wants to leave the music collection he has downloaded over the years on "many, many iPods" to his daughters Rumer, Scout and Tallulah.

However, as millions of people are discovering, he found that under the terms and conditions he agreed to with Apple's iTunes store, he does not own any of the tracks but has only "borrowed" them under licence, meaning an iPod filled with $60,000 worth of music is effectively worthless.

To get around this, Willis has asked his advisers to set up family trusts to "hold" his downloads.

Willis, who sings with his own blues band and has appeared in a pop video with the British group Gorillaz, is also supporting legal moves in five US states that will give downloaders more rights over their music collections.

At present, Apple can freeze the account of anyone it suspects of sharing tunes with others, even if they are close family. Legally, iTunes users are also banned from transferring any of the music they have paid for to other MP3 players as they could with a CD.

It is not just Apple -- which set such limits 11 years ago under pressure from record companies as the price for distributing their music -- that is facing a growing chorus against such restrictions: a battle is also being waged over digital books.

Amazon has come under fire for abruptly editing or even erasing via an electronic pulse ebooks downloaded on to its Kindle devices, even those long out of copyright.

The problem has become so fraught that David Goldman, a Florida lawyer, has launched software called DapTrust (Digital Asset Protection Trust), which, upon being told its user has died, emails bank codes to designated heirs, or publishes a last set of photographs.

Any music you buy on iTunes is worthless. At least if I bought a CD or LP, I still have the CD and LP. If you buy something on iTunes, you can't transfer ownership to anybody else.

 

[NorthStar]

Not sure if you guys can read this: http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...-to-tackle-apple/story-fnb64oi6-1226463493997



Any music you buy on iTunes is worthless. At least if I bought a CD or LP, I still have the CD and LP. If you buy something on iTunes, you can't transfer ownership to anybody else.

--That's fine; nobody owns music, music is an art form, and is to be listen to. :b ...ART is FREE!

And SHARING is FREEDOM, GENEROSITY. :b

Everytime you pay for Art you pay the people who rip-off the artists; well, you know what I mean anyway.

 

[Keith_W]

Of course I know what you mean, Bob ... but every time I pay for art I also pay the artist, even if they proportionally receive less than their middlemen

 

[NorthStar]

Of course I know what you mean, Bob ... but every time I pay for art I also pay the artist, even if they proportionally receive less than their middlemen

Some music bands are strongly into money, and they'll do almost anything to collect (Metallica for example).
Other bands they give their music freely.

It's all about attitude, and your life's perception on Love or Work. ...You see .... :b
The true artists are the ones who are after real creation without any boundaries of the soul or financial scruples.

* We don't have to abide to what seems man's own invention regarding some of his laws.
If we do, we become slaves, and freedom don't exist.

We ain't on this Earth to be ruled or rule, but to live in harmony with all.

 

[asiufy]

---Hi Alexandre,

You can call me by my real name, Bob. :b

I see, but my question was more for each individual as their 'own' personal preferences according to their 'own' set of particular applications. ..Just like Amir did in his reply just above yours. :b

* Me, I'm not much of a time-spending-gaming-playing type of person on a small screen (iPad, iPhone, Galaxy, Universe, etc.), looking, reading, viewing, listening, typing, while I'm active in participating with the nature outside, in my lovely environment.
See, if I'm travelling, I want to live with my real surroundings, the people, the decor, the wildlife, etc. I am a communicator first, with the reality. ...Life's just too short to miss a track; I think, I believe, and I feel deeply in my soul.

Inside, I'm fine with my PC. ...And my r.a.d.i.o. ...And my big screen HDTV. ...And my full blast surround sound system. And my separate stereo rig.

>>> But from what I've been reading, at home, on my PC, the Samsung Galaxy SIII seems to be a heck of a nice little machine. I'm kind of the same school of thought as Amir here.

About you Alexandre?

Bob,

I'm more of a "less is more" kind of person, so I prefer Apple's iPhone. But Android's all-encompassing OS could be a valid option to you. But, if you're going that way, go for the Samsung Galaxy Nexus. This is Google's official, reference Android phone. As such, Samsung hasn't put its pawns on it, and it runs the Android without any add-ons or superfluous additions. The benefit here is that once Google releases a new version of the OS, you'll get your upgrade at least 6 months before everybody else. All the manufacturers take from 6 months to a year to bring Google's new versions of Android to their phones, since they have to mesh the new stuff with the old add-ons and additions that they (manufacturers) created. Of course, none of that exists in the Apple/iOS side, since it's a single-vendor game there
After battling with many different vendors' Android phones, I gave up and now only buy the refenrece Android devices. The latest is, as I said, the Samsung Nexus, and it's a very solid, responsive device. Actually it's the first responsive Android phone I've owned.
Google sells those direct, but I believe Best Buy stocks them as well, in Verizon and T-Mobile versions.


alexandre

 

[NorthStar]

---Alexandre, that is an excellent post just above; I truly appreciate your frank reply.

Bob

P.S. Simplicity is Best.

 

[Steve Williams]

FWIW the story about Willis suing Apple is not true

http://www.macrumors.com/2012/09/03...pple-over-itunes-store-music-transferability/

Have a look at the bottom of the article and the Tweet by Willis' wife

This is posted in response to one by KeithW

 

[NorthStar]

---Keith? ...You're the one who brought us up that "Bruce Willis" story.

Gotta be careful about some of the stuff you read on the Internet mate. :b

* Good find Steve!

P.S. Keith, it ain't your fault; this news is just fresh from today.
...And who knows, tomorrow it might be true again!

 

[asiufy]

Again, Apple is singled out, as the bad guy, while every single digital music on the internet offers the same limited quality product, or worse. At least Apple refused to go with the extortionate "subscription services", where you pay and end up with nothing.

Ah, funny story about Samsung today:
Indian pair were stranded in Berlin after they refused to work on Samsung booths

http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2012/sep/03/samsung-tech-bloggers?newsfeed=true

I knew there was a catch! I find it very hard to praise Samsung without some sort of incentive!

 

[Keith_W]

---By the way guys, should I buy Apple shares? :b

Just came across this video. Buy Samsung shares

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AwEsSdDAaM4&feature=relmfu

We should also note that Apple seems to have nearly all its eggs in one basket - with 70% of its sales coming from iOS devices. Don't forget that iOS devices are under severe pressure from Android, with market research showing that Apple's market share is shrinking.

This month will be interesting. The iPhone 5 is rumoured to be announced next week, with the new 7" iPad either next week or next month. In the meantime, Windows 8 will be released in October, along with all its variations - Windows Surface and Windows RT for tablets, and Windows 8 for smartphones, along with a whole gaggle of recently announced tablets and new phones from Lenovo, Acer, Samsung, Nokia, HTC, Toshiba, LG, and a few others.

If you want to hang onto your Apple stock, by all means go ahead. It looks as if iOS 6 and the iPhone 5 will underwhelm - and because all their eggs is in one basket, once someone else eats its iOS lunch, Apple will have nowhere to go. The evidence is already suggesting that Apple's market is shrinking - to reverse this, one of two things needs to happen. Either iOS 6 needs to be amazing, and grab back that declining share of the market - OR they need to announce a new product line. Can you see either of these two happening?

It would be better to buy Samsung shares - not only are they the undisputed leader in the Android market, they also have a foot in the Windows 8 market. They are diversified in a way Apple will never be - they own patents in LCD and OLED manufacture, they make microchips and electronic parts, they build ships, weapons, buildings, and they will sell you insurance or even tickets to a theme park. Even if Samsung mobility goes down, they can still sell screens, microchips, and memory to other companies to build smartphones.

Those who think that Apple's management of its whole ecosystem - they wrote the OS, designed the iTunes ecosystem, and designed the phone - is an advantage, think of Samsung. Samsung owns the entire manufacturing ecosystem - they designed the chips, the memory, the screen, own the factories, and designed the phones. Apple's ownership of its ecosystem allows it to deliver an integrated experience. Samsung's ownership of manufacturing allows it to respond incredibly quickly to changes in the market. If the iPhone 5 is a flop, it will take a whole year for Apple to respond - it has to design the phone, tie in contracts, purchase capacity, etc etc. Samsung can simply bring out another phone.

For sure Apple will remain a massive company, but the tea leaves at the bottom of my cup suggests they will go back to the Apple of the 1990's, begging for scraps for survival from the companies they once bullied.

 

[NorthStar]

Just came across this video. Buy Samsung shares

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AwEsSdDAaM4&feature=relmfu

-----No way Jose! ...I just discovered three dead pixels on my SAMSUNG flat panel plasma!

Keith, are you buying it?