Samsung loses patent suit to Apple
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Good point re: multitasking, Amir. When I bought my iPad I was mystified as to why the browser couldn't load more than one webpage at a time. And of course it was annoying to find that the browser simply stops loading if you were to switch out of it to another app. Even in 2002 my O2 XDA could multi-task. Come to think of it, my XDA also had voice recognition (something iPhones didn't have until last year). The XDA also had spoken caller ID - if someone in your contact list rang you, it would say "Joe Bloggs calling" followed by the ringtone. Oh, and spoken SMS - you could set it so that it would read SMS'es to you. You could also "sin bin" certain numbers - if your mother in law kept calling you, you could simply tell the phone to immediately send her to voicemail without ringing. All this in 2002, and all features that iPhones still do not have.
This little graphic should tell you all you need to know about how Android has evolved over the years compared to iOS:
If you have been following the news on iOS 6 you will find there won't be very much to get the pulse racing. I mean, they are trumpeting Facetime over 3G as an exciting new feature! I mean you guys have heard about Tango, right? In some ways, iOS 6 might even be a step backwards. I am not sure how many are thrilled about replacing Google maps with Apple maps. Worse still, if they bake it into the OS like Safari, you won't be able to change the default mapping application. Want to open a link from an email in another browser in iOS? Copy and paste the link into another browser. You might end up having to do the same with addresses
Americans keep going on about how much they love freedom yet it is ironic that so many of them choose to live in a totalitarian digital world controlled by a techno-dictator. Because he hated porn, all curated apps, books, and magazines can not show naked flesh - not even in art. iOS users tolerate all sorts of censorship they normally wouldn't if it was the American government doing it.
Alex, if there is one thing that Apple has proven by managing to sell laptops with non-removable batteries is that people are idiots I mean, what kind of idiot buys a laptop with a battery that can't be removed? Anyone who has owned a laptop before knows that after a couple of years, the battery starts to lose capacity and needs to be replaced. The newest Apple laptops even have the batteries glued in place, so not even Apple can replace the battery if it dies. Instead, you will have to buy another laptop from Apple. THAT is why they have so much money - they trap you in their ecosystem, they have all your data on their iCloud, all your music on iTunes, and they sell you pretty hardware that obsoletes itself when a critical non-replaceable part eventually fails, or they will make obsolete for you via a software update, and force you back into an upgrade cycle.
This little graphic should tell you all you need to know about how Android has evolved over the years compared to iOS:
If you have been following the news on iOS 6 you will find there won't be very much to get the pulse racing. I mean, they are trumpeting Facetime over 3G as an exciting new feature! I mean you guys have heard about Tango, right? In some ways, iOS 6 might even be a step backwards. I am not sure how many are thrilled about replacing Google maps with Apple maps. Worse still, if they bake it into the OS like Safari, you won't be able to change the default mapping application. Want to open a link from an email in another browser in iOS? Copy and paste the link into another browser. You might end up having to do the same with addresses
Americans keep going on about how much they love freedom yet it is ironic that so many of them choose to live in a totalitarian digital world controlled by a techno-dictator. Because he hated porn, all curated apps, books, and magazines can not show naked flesh - not even in art. iOS users tolerate all sorts of censorship they normally wouldn't if it was the American government doing it.
Alex, if there is one thing that Apple has proven by managing to sell laptops with non-removable batteries is that people are idiots
I mean, what kind of idiot buys a laptop with a battery that can't be removed? Anyone who has owned a laptop before knows that after a couple of years, the battery starts to lose capacity and needs to be replaced. The newest Apple laptops even have the batteries glued in place, so not even Apple can replace the battery if it dies. Instead, you will have to buy another laptop from Apple. THAT is why they have so much money - they trap you in their ecosystem, they have all your data on their iCloud, all your music on iTunes, and they sell you pretty hardware that obsoletes itself when a critical non-replaceable part eventually fails, or they will make obsolete for you via a software update, and force you back into an upgrade cycle.
---I found that multitasking is more efficient when using four computers instead of just one.
...'Bout you guys? :b
...'Bout you guys? :b
Good article in today's Guardian.
Apple's rot starts with its Samsung lawsuit win
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/aug/28/apple-rot-starts-with-samsung-lawsuit-win
Apple's rot starts with its Samsung lawsuit win
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/aug/28/apple-rot-starts-with-samsung-lawsuit-win
Innovative or not, the iPhone and iPad are very cool products.
I run all of my home theater/audio equipment on an iPad (or iPhone) , control my security system, control the house lights and lock and unlock the front door as well and close or open the garage door (Control4). And I can do this from anywhere in the world I can access the internet. As an aside, Control4 sells an in-home Control4 wireless controller that sells for about $1000. My iPad with Control4 software was $400 AND I can do more with it.
I use another iPad in my business (out in the field) for doing proposals, calculations, accepting credit cards and accessing the data on my office mac (via drop box).
Some of these things can/could be done on a PC or a Mac NoteBook but at significantly more cost and more bulk and more weight.
Is the iPad innovative. As far as I'm concerned it is.
Are these products perfect? Not even close. I continue to have issues with my iPhone (since I moved from the 3 G) where my ear will cause the screen to come alive, hit the mute button or cause any other kind of disruption to my call. All of the iPads we own on occasion just lose what we are in the middle of doing -- it just disappears. Pi$$es me off.
When some other company can provide me all that these Apple products provide at either a lower price, or more reliability, or more functionality, I will switch. I am not married to the company but I am to their products and the solutions that come with them.
I run all of my home theater/audio equipment on an iPad (or iPhone) , control my security system, control the house lights and lock and unlock the front door as well and close or open the garage door (Control4). And I can do this from anywhere in the world I can access the internet. As an aside, Control4 sells an in-home Control4 wireless controller that sells for about $1000. My iPad with Control4 software was $400 AND I can do more with it.
I use another iPad in my business (out in the field) for doing proposals, calculations, accepting credit cards and accessing the data on my office mac (via drop box).
Some of these things can/could be done on a PC or a Mac NoteBook but at significantly more cost and more bulk and more weight.
Is the iPad innovative. As far as I'm concerned it is.
Are these products perfect? Not even close. I continue to have issues with my iPhone (since I moved from the 3 G) where my ear will cause the screen to come alive, hit the mute button or cause any other kind of disruption to my call. All of the iPads we own on occasion just lose what we are in the middle of doing -- it just disappears. Pi$$es me off.
When some other company can provide me all that these Apple products provide at either a lower price, or more reliability, or more functionality, I will switch. I am not married to the company but I am to their products and the solutions that come with them.
Guys, c'mon, do you REALLY think Apple designed iOS' multitasking just so because they're crap at programming? Or they can't produce fast enough chips to power their devices?
Everything is a trade-off. Apple *chose* to write the multitasking that way, using a particular system where only certain kinds of apps are allowed to occupy background time. All that to save some precious battery life. Precious batterly life that is eaten like there's no tomorrow by the best-in-class display, that no other device gets anywhere close.
It's easy to write a multitasking OS, specially one based on Linux (*cough* Android *cough*). The hard part is improving what's out there (hey, that's innovation too!), thinking about the poor hapless user that doesn't want to be quitting/killing apps all the time, just to save some battery time. As Steve Jobs said, if your iOS needs a task manager, you failed, at least in the eyes of the regular user.
I'd much rather have a gorgeous screen eating away at my battery than a whole bunch of apps that some lazy programmer wrote to reside in the background, and that'll force me to quit them manually.
What would you rather do, have your smartphone work for you, or have you working for your smartphone? I know what I want...
alexandre
Everything is a trade-off. Apple *chose* to write the multitasking that way, using a particular system where only certain kinds of apps are allowed to occupy background time. All that to save some precious battery life. Precious batterly life that is eaten like there's no tomorrow by the best-in-class display, that no other device gets anywhere close.
It's easy to write a multitasking OS, specially one based on Linux (*cough* Android *cough*). The hard part is improving what's out there (hey, that's innovation too!), thinking about the poor hapless user that doesn't want to be quitting/killing apps all the time, just to save some battery time. As Steve Jobs said, if your iOS needs a task manager, you failed, at least in the eyes of the regular user.
I'd much rather have a gorgeous screen eating away at my battery than a whole bunch of apps that some lazy programmer wrote to reside in the background, and that'll force me to quit them manually.
What would you rather do, have your smartphone work for you, or have you working for your smartphone? I know what I want...
alexandre
Innovation is the most abused word in tech. As the article points out - true innovation changes the way we interact with the world. The invention of the internal combustion engine and personal transport meant that entire cities were designed around cars. When Google came up with the search engine, it changed the way we used the internet and ushered in a new age of man. Really, Google is the reason why I am talking to you - I would never have found WBF if it were not for Google.
These are true innovations. Slapping together a phone from existing parts and selling it to cultists with some techno messiah driving a mega marketing campaign is not innovation.
Control4 is not an Apple product.
Answer the question yourself. Android has true multitasking, yet has devices which have larger screens, more powerful CPU's, have LTE, are thinner, weigh less, and last longer.
My Galaxy Nexus doesn't last longer than my iPhone, and that's with a sh*tty screen and 3G only. And that's from day one. *AND* I don't have that many apps installed eating away at the battery in the background...
So no, Android devices aren't magical.
Surprised I have an Android device? I've had one since the Google/HTC Nexus One. I must have like 12 of them lying around... How many iPhones have you picked up and used, Keith_W?
alexandre
So no, Android devices aren't magical.
Surprised I have an Android device? I've had one since the Google/HTC Nexus One. I must have like 12 of them lying around... How many iPhones have you picked up and used, Keith_W?
alexandre
And your point is ????
I run virtually NO Apple products (except the OS) on my iPhone or iPad so what does that have to do with anything. I also run no HP products on my HP PC Laptop and only run Windows and no other MS products. That also means ZERO.
You simply can not deal with the fact the whether you like it or not (and you don't), Apple delivers great products that MILLIONS of people like and use and recommend. Will they always be in this position? Not a chance? But that does not change who they are now.
When they crash, you can be the first to send out gloating messages. Until then,...................
All of them except the original iPhone and the 4S, but even then my wife owns a 4S and an iPad 2. My 3G and 3GS are still kicking around in the bottom of my drawer. My 4 and iPad 1 have been sold.
My point is - you were going on and on about the Control 4 system as if it were an Apple product. It is irrelevant. It's like going on about how good my Dunlop tyres are as if it proves how good my car is.
Here is a suggestion for you - stick with debating the facts instead of speculating what I can or can not deal with
I have asserted that Apple has not invented anything, and I have shot down the idea that they are innovative. I have come up with a number of examples of Apple stealing the ideas of others and patenting them as if they owned them. How about dealing with the examples I quoted?
Funny thing, Keith_W, you talking about facts and speculation...
You were the one speculating, when you brought the whole "rounded rectangles" patent. Here's a little article debunking your speculations:
http://techpinions.com/pinch-to-zoom-and-rounded-rectangles-what-the-jury-didnt-say/9465
So, there you go, facts.
You were the one speculating, when you brought the whole "rounded rectangles" patent. Here's a little article debunking your speculations:
http://techpinions.com/pinch-to-zoom-and-rounded-rectangles-what-the-jury-didnt-say/9465
So, there you go, facts.
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as I said earlier debates re anything Mac vs Android are as hot and heavy as some of our audio threads with neither side claiming victory. I second Amir's suggestion
You need to read the article you quoted more carefully
One wonders why you would quote an article that supports what I have said all along while thinking it is evidence to the contrary? I have said multiple times in this thread that Apple patented the rounded rectangle and used it as evidence that Samsung copied Apple. This is the relevant quote from the article, highlighted for your benefit: "But the jury rejected infringement claims based on patent D’889, which covers the iPad, and rejected eight of 13 claims under D’087 and which deals specifically with the rectangles-with-rounded-corners design of the iPhone (see the relevant sections of the jury verdict form below.)"
Rejected 8 out of 13 claims means that they upheld five claims. Also, you might want to read the footnote. In no way does it debunk what I said - if anything, it confirms it.
Re: that jury, I might point out that they took 21 hours to make legally binding decisions on 700 questions. You do the math - they spent 1.8 minutes per question. In addition to that, the jury foreman came out and said all sorts of things (e.g. he directed the jury to ignore all examples of prior art) that would surely cause the decision to be thrown out on appeal. (edit) link: http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20...ly-ignoring-prior-art-other-key-factors.shtml
BTW I have ignored all the ad hominems in this thread. When the ad hominems start coming out, you know you are winning the argument because the opposing side has nothing more of substance to say.
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The decision has been made, an appeal will be filed, there's nothing we can do about it and it doesn't matter which side we're on. What's the problem here?
I'm just doing my bit to make sure that Apple's name gets dragged through the mud. They are behaving like corporate bullies, and if they pay a price it should be at the expense of the carefully crafted image they have made for themselves. As I have said many times in this thread - they have stolen from others, patented innovations from others as if it were their own, and pretended that others were doing the stealing. They shouldn't be allowed to get away with it.
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