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What you don’t realise is that many horn lovers might 100 percent agree with the systems you have heard. 95% horn systems sound bad. Hence post videos to see if people agree or don’t.
I'm not sure I'm following you, are you asking me to post videos? If so, how can one tell the sound of a system through a microphone(s), through and A to D converter, compressed via YT and then played back on mostly sub - par office systems?
 
I'm not sure I'm following you, are you asking me to post videos? If so, how can one tell the sound of a system through a microphone(s), through and A to D converter, compressed via YT and then played back on mostly sub - par office systems?

Uh-oh, another video discussion...

I agree with you, but you ask far too logical questions. Don't ;).
 
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Uh-oh, another video discussion...

I agree with you, but you ask far too logical questions. Don't ;).

Really !… Perhaps even a compromised iphone You Tube of this members plastic curl down speakers might elucidate a comparison with one of the tracks that I posted of an Aries Cerat horn system … which might go some way in supporting his assertions ?
 
We fully agree that there is no clear winner - I have told it many times and why. But debating in depth the characteristics inherent to each format is extremely interesting.
Its not just characteristics of sound. It's understanding what is required to move the needle. What does one need to change, to step up one or the other format. My system has leap froged one source, then the other over the years.

Either party is absolutely right in their perceptions of one being as good or better than the other. They hear it because they made it happen. They listened, learned, applied and achieved success.

I focus on what makes me happy. I try and learn from others what they have done to move the needle. Tom has me thinking a new switch with a world clock will step up my streaming. Can be done for under $4k. Hmmmm.
 
If so, how can one tell the sound of a system through a microphone(s), through and A to D converter, compressed via YT and then played back on mostly sub - par office systems?

With their ears and maybe a bit of exposure to how different systems sound.

I find it's pretty easy to tell if a video I make is a reasonable representation of what I heard from my system when I made it. Others can too but not everyone. From a video, bonzo could tell when I made a change to my system without me announcing it.

That's my answer to your 'how to?' question. It's okay if you disagree for whatever reason.
 
Is that It ? Your entire response in regard to my repost to your somewhat weak and facile commentary regarding Aries Cerat Transducers !
Grow up.
 
It might be far from dead yet, my point is that the younger people of today (born f ex in the 1990`s) will IMO not spend the kind of money on hifi/high end that we "older" people are/have done. They are listening to music through their Iphone`s etc and do not care about sound quality. We didn`t have this option when growing up, no streaming, no internet etc.

I bought my first mono Phillips cassette player at the age of 10. Then I bought a speaker that I connected to this in order to get "better" sound. This was in the early 70`s... From that point it was no looking back and I ended up with gear like Kondo, Absolare, CH Presicion etc (all sold now).

My point is this; Younger generations have not been through this "process". All they know is their Iphones, Ipods and streaming from Spotify. Yes it might be so that the headphones business will survive although I doubt that people will spend much on this as well.

The high end industry will (IMO) go on for 15-20 years more by offering "even higher resolution, new exotic materials, lower distortion" :).
I think there is a fundamental difference between what young people want and what the industry is selling. They do care about sound quality, but they demand dynamics and bass over soundstaging and imagery,
Many youngsters today grew up going to dance in front of full range systems at festivals and clubs, often getting there in cars also with monster bass capabilities. The hifi market has simply refused to recognise this.. The majority of 'high end' systems completely fall down when asked to play the kind of bass driven music that is popular now- i still see reviews where some imbecile claims that the lowest a system needs to go is 41hz, because thats where a bass guitar stops. As a raver / clubgoer, i have heard the music i adore being mutilated by anemic hifi systems that censor all deep bass. It has taken real determination to go in a different direction to other audiophiles to achieve something that compares favourably to what one might hear in a club, at a festival or a rave.

If the music drug of the 60's, lsd, gives one an appreciation of soundstage, imagery and an ascendant mid range, then the music made since the 90's has been shaped by mda / mdma / ecstasy and for that the pied piper plays house, trance, grime, reggae, dub, bass- driven electronica (and hip hop).
But hifi rarely caters for this, the US market is especially guilty, none of the US review sites i read talk anything other than long dead genres enjoyed only by boomers. And its hard to escape the impression that older americans in particular really despise youngsters and the music they listen to; this is the impression one gains when reading US reviews. Given such hostility and misguided snobbery (i was told by Rhapsody only last year that the music i prefer was not appropriate to be played on their systems) is it any surprise young people aren't signing up?
Meanwhile the rise of convenient solutions like MiniRig encroaches on what was the entry level for hifi because it actually has bass, all for £350 for two speakers and a subwoofer.
 
One man's "natural sound" from analog/tube/horns is another man's rolled off, dull, ear - piercing PA system.
...with no sub bass
 
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Ok no problem, I agree with you that there are audiophiles who do not like analog/tube/horns but please check how much time/effort they spend for audio.

You can read Romy the Cat forum and see he spend over 3600 hours for amplifier speaker design.
Romy posted Over 10,000 there and he described many complex subjects there.

Please read David @ddk posts here and you will find him a real expert. David was in this industry for many years and he listened to tons of expensive audio equipments. You can’t ignore his huge experience in audio.

Audio is very complex subject.
But the paradigm has changed. It's just indisputable that valves and horns can't bring the exhilarating 'fear factor' because they can't do sub bass, and the foundation of most modern music is the sub bass. Indeed that is often where the melody is.

The auld ways don't always cut it, because music has changed. Valves and horns might be optimal for jazz classical and easy listening. But if you like deep house or drum and bass you will be left wanting...a car stereo does a better imitation of what we hear at a rave than valves and horns ever will. That's why it's a mistake to imagine that those who are stuck in the past hold the answers. Instead what they claim to be impossible (a system in your home that can do what a big rig in a warehouse or club can) is both possible, and what many young people want from a music system. This natural sound nonsense will die with the boomers. Just listen to what's popular now, its the sound of the clubs, not the concert hall. This dissonance will continue until the industry adapts to the next generation of customers.
 
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One can also say the natural sound of tubes, cones and CDs. I don’t read the comment as exclusionary of typology. I think Amir’s point is that less than half of audiophiles follow the approach of horns and tubes and vinyl.
I think the point was also that those who champion this natural sound of valves and horns are incapable of recognising the limitations of this approach. So their advice becomes worthless, because they don't know what they don't know,
and incompetently assess their own competence,
classic Dunning-Kruger effect.
 
Uh-oh, another video discussion...

I agree with you, but you ask far too logical questions. Don't ;).
It is not just another video discussion, every discussion is another repetition so to simplify things for myself: I am off and I wish you well. All of you, the solids and tubies, the hornies an boxies, the digitalies an analogies, the cable believers and non-believers. Take care and try to be(come) civil. Groetjes uit Nederland
 
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