Michell replacement pylons
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New acrylic armboard for sme arms made and sounds very good.
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Hi David i hope you have got used to them by now, and the problems caused by the poor acrylic spider that had not been machined properly for the orbe se, with one not being perpendicular to the fase of the spider and one being out of alignment , the problem seems that the spider was drilled incorrectly in the first place, causing the pylons to lock up , also getting used to the fact they no longer bounce,
since the introduction of the thicker o rings the movement has been restricted in the vertical plane as well, only moving when pressed on by the owner ,
the mechanical properties are different in the orings to elastic ,and spring , the spring will bounce ,the o rings will return , and elestic tends to bounce and stretch until it snaps,
so i hope you now have got used to them , with all the finer details coming through , the wow should be down,
pete
since the introduction of the thicker o rings the movement has been restricted in the vertical plane as well, only moving when pressed on by the owner ,
the mechanical properties are different in the orings to elastic ,and spring , the spring will bounce ,the o rings will return , and elestic tends to bounce and stretch until it snaps,
so i hope you now have got used to them , with all the finer details coming through , the wow should be down,
pete
After a fair amount of work to get Pete’s Pylons up and running, I have been able to spend some time listening to my table. Consider this a preliminary report, there are still some things I am working on to optimize the suspension.
Gentlemen, the difference that this revised suspension system has made to my Orbe is not subtle. It is almost like getting a new table.
At first I struggled with the difference. Orbes and Gyros have a sonic signature in my experience; an inviting, warm almost silken sound that invites you into the music and makes almost anything sound good. It is almost the opposite of CD sound (although not perhaps of the best high resolution digital). They are the ultimate analog sounding tables, with the Orbe more solid sounding, the gyro more “airy”. I love that sound, that’s why I bought one.
The o ring suspension remove most, if not all of this coloration. The sound becomes faster, more precise, more dynamic, more hard hitting. In fact, at first I felt the sound had become a little hard. But I found VTA adjustments easier to hear and make then before. When I finally found the spot, and it was quite a bit from where I was before, I was rewarded. I began to appreciate the gains you get when your source becomes more neutral.
The increase in detail is surprising. I know it is cliche, but I really am hearing things in albums I have been playing for decades that I had not noticed before. The increase in dynamics and slam are easy to hear. The bass is more resolved with no bloat. The sound seems to float freer from the speakers, everything seems a bit clearer in the mix. Again, the differences are not subtle. Who would have thought the suspension would make this big a difference?
To be fair, it’s not just the o ring suspension. Pete’s kit also includes ceramic balls to replace the steel balls in the turntable main bearing and suspension towers. Also small sorbothane pieces to install on the suspension post (which I am not using yet). I think the change of ball in the main bearing has also made a difference, why that would be I’m not sure.
I must say that dealing with Peter has been fantastic. I ordered the kit through TruePoint Audio, but when I had trouble getting it up and running Pete became directly involved. He has sent me revised bases, different o rings and numerous emails to help me get everything working right. It is obvious that Pete is not in this for commercial success, but because he is a true hobbyist who loves these tables and tweaking them and wants to help other owners get the best out of their tables. Pete has a long running thread on The Art of Sound website detailing his tweaking of the decks and the development of his pylons. Very interesting read for anyone owning these tables.
Best of all, these changes are all easily reversible and the table can be converted back to the stock springs and steel balls in about an hour. I don’t think many people will do that once you hear the changes. And the cost? 180 pounds plus postage. About $300 US in total. Talk about bang for the buck! It’s a joke for the increase in performance you get.
Highly recommended to anyone looking to take these tables to the next level. Or looking to move up to a better table. Try this first!
Gentlemen, the difference that this revised suspension system has made to my Orbe is not subtle. It is almost like getting a new table.
At first I struggled with the difference. Orbes and Gyros have a sonic signature in my experience; an inviting, warm almost silken sound that invites you into the music and makes almost anything sound good. It is almost the opposite of CD sound (although not perhaps of the best high resolution digital). They are the ultimate analog sounding tables, with the Orbe more solid sounding, the gyro more “airy”. I love that sound, that’s why I bought one.
The o ring suspension remove most, if not all of this coloration. The sound becomes faster, more precise, more dynamic, more hard hitting. In fact, at first I felt the sound had become a little hard. But I found VTA adjustments easier to hear and make then before. When I finally found the spot, and it was quite a bit from where I was before, I was rewarded. I began to appreciate the gains you get when your source becomes more neutral.
The increase in detail is surprising. I know it is cliche, but I really am hearing things in albums I have been playing for decades that I had not noticed before. The increase in dynamics and slam are easy to hear. The bass is more resolved with no bloat. The sound seems to float freer from the speakers, everything seems a bit clearer in the mix. Again, the differences are not subtle. Who would have thought the suspension would make this big a difference?
To be fair, it’s not just the o ring suspension. Pete’s kit also includes ceramic balls to replace the steel balls in the turntable main bearing and suspension towers. Also small sorbothane pieces to install on the suspension post (which I am not using yet). I think the change of ball in the main bearing has also made a difference, why that would be I’m not sure.
I must say that dealing with Peter has been fantastic. I ordered the kit through TruePoint Audio, but when I had trouble getting it up and running Pete became directly involved. He has sent me revised bases, different o rings and numerous emails to help me get everything working right. It is obvious that Pete is not in this for commercial success, but because he is a true hobbyist who loves these tables and tweaking them and wants to help other owners get the best out of their tables. Pete has a long running thread on The Art of Sound website detailing his tweaking of the decks and the development of his pylons. Very interesting read for anyone owning these tables.
Best of all, these changes are all easily reversible and the table can be converted back to the stock springs and steel balls in about an hour. I don’t think many people will do that once you hear the changes. And the cost? 180 pounds plus postage. About $300 US in total. Talk about bang for the buck! It’s a joke for the increase in performance you get.
Highly recommended to anyone looking to take these tables to the next level. Or looking to move up to a better table. Try this first!
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i did say you would be infor a surprise, i know they surprised me in the making and development , although i dont make them ,i am always their to help ,when problems happen , which they do , The ideas that have been added to the kit have all come from users, all willing to help, all being happy
at the end ,
at times flustrating journey , that takes alot of messing about when the spider is out , also then getting used to the cleaner and faster sound that was being killed off by the springs, i cannot and will not tell you how they sound , as they all proabley sond different to my oddyssey
Turntable with all the mods i have done over the past 2 years ,
The cost of the pylons i have nothing to do with that ,it is down to Truepoint , that have to make , buy the parts , post and advertise them , also pay the tax , and issue an invoice,
i am gald you have now found what was missing in the vinyl ,a muddy worm sound ,has been cleaned up , it takes a day or so , and i promise you will not go back ,
all the very best
pete
at the end ,
at times flustrating journey , that takes alot of messing about when the spider is out , also then getting used to the cleaner and faster sound that was being killed off by the springs, i cannot and will not tell you how they sound , as they all proabley sond different to my oddyssey
Turntable with all the mods i have done over the past 2 years ,
The cost of the pylons i have nothing to do with that ,it is down to Truepoint , that have to make , buy the parts , post and advertise them , also pay the tax , and issue an invoice,
i am gald you have now found what was missing in the vinyl ,a muddy worm sound ,has been cleaned up , it takes a day or so , and i promise you will not go back ,
all the very best
pete
so i went the hole hog and had an acrylic platter made, which is not yet completed , it still has to have the weights inserted , i want it to look as if the platter has frozen the wights in the acrylic , but have no running groove, it is about 40mm thick , i have not picked it up as it is only 50% complete
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