Is Wilson losing their marketing edge?

[Ron Resnick]

AI doesn't reason across behavioral economics, psycology, and philosophy like humans do.

This is incorrect.

 

[Ron Resnick]

I have been threatened with force by wilson and most recently taiko fans when encouraging them to find their own path. No one before has really put together this type of thorough analysis on audio It's all me - please search my previous posts. And search the internet!

Reading on your iPhone words typed by elderly, geeky Boomers about audio components on their computers from hundreds or thousands of miles away is not being "threatened with force."

I never took you for such a snowflake.

 

[Ron Resnick]

Staying anonymous as I have been threatened with force by wilson and most recently taiko fans

I contacted you several years ago for the purpose of getting to know you and understanding who you are. Your reluctance to tell me anything about yourself privately was extremely weird and did not plausibly have anything to do with this wacky claim.

 

[caesar]

The fact is that the name of the brand could be replaced, a few changes made and the glorious text would hold almost unchanged.

The psychologist shows a deep ignorance about sound reproduction and the particular Wilson marketing strategy, it looks like his sources are just the internet, no inside knowledge about Wilson Audio or products. He focus on the usual stereotypes to denigrate the high-end, his usual strategy.

Most of the text has an AI contribution. debating it is a lost battle, the bot will be much more efficient and quick than humans generating replies. Unfortunately it seems one the forum owners seems to allow and enjoy this new style of posting with AI help - probably soon we will welcome bots as new members - may be as experts!

Sorry your feelings hurt by reality, Wilson fan boy

 

[caesar]

So, you have been “threatened with force” by Wilson and Taiko fans?

This sounds very serious. Have you filed complaints with the authorities?

I had no idea of the sordid and scary Audiophiledom underworld.

Most recently by taiko fan boy, TuckiA

 

[caesar]

Reading on your iPhone words typed by elderly Boomers about audio components on their computers from hundreds or thousands of miles away is not being "threatened with force."

I never took you for such a snowflake.

I am not. But taiko fan boys were pretty angry. You can search or ask the mods to find the post

 

[Ron Resnick]

I am not. But taiko fan boys were pretty angry. You can search or ask the mods to find the post

You are the one who made the claim. Please post for us the police report you filed in response to this threatened assault against you.

Did you seek a restraining order or a protective order in view of how seriously you took the threat?

 

[caesar]

I and Al M already complimented the substance of your post. But your sensitivity about "Wilson fan boys" is undermining your own thread. There has not been one word of reply criticizing your use of Wilson as an example. That is in your head and kind of delusional.

Questioning your use of AI is not a personal attack.

Characteristically your opening posts here tend to be simple questions that are controversial and kind of troll-y. That's why this substantive, interesting, insightful, interdisciplinary, complex and lengthy post from you is raising eyebrows.

Yeah, I am busy. So I don’t always have time to log more than once or twice a month and chime in. So wanted to express my thoughts fully so people understand the full context of my thinking.

You see the posts by micro strip, and Times? Ignoring the substance and making personal comments. Just as I expected

You are the one who made the puerile and snowflake-y claim. Please post for us the police report you filed in response to this threatened assault against you.

Did you seek a restraining order or a protective order in view of how seriously you took the threat?

It’s the whole herd, Ron.

 

[caesar]

The fact is that the name of the brand could be replaced, a few changes made and the glorious text would hold almost unchanged.

The psychologist shows a deep ignorance about sound reproduction and the particular Wilson marketing strategy, it looks like his sources are just the internet, no inside knowledge about Wilson Audio or products. He focus on the usual stereotypes to denigrate the high-end, his usual strategy.

Most of the text has an AI contribution. debating it is a lost battle, the bot will be much more efficient and quick than humans generating replies. Unfortunately it seems one the forum owners seems to allow and enjoy this new style of posting with AI help - probably soon we will welcome bots as new members - may be as experts!

If you’re truly interested in ideas, re-read the post. It discusses all herds, not just Wilson. Again, this is the type of response I expected from the illiberal audiophile culture

 

[caesar]

I didn’t wade through the entire exposition, but I was curious about one of the the supposed pillars of Wilson domination: reviewer use.

Have you done an actual survey on the actual numbers of reviewers—that presently — not that have used Wilson at one time or another—use Wilson as their reference speaker? Maybe it’s not as high a # as your thesis suggests?

Just as I expected- guys whose feelings can potentially be hurt won’t read it.

I’ll leave the survey to you. But I’d start with fremer, siriniuis, and Harley. Some of the most productive reviewers, in terms of marketing they generate. Also, Heilbrunn until recently .

So, you have been “threatened with force” by Wilson and Taiko fans?

This sounds very serious. Have you filed complaints with the authorities?

I had no idea of the sordid and scary Audiophiledom underworld.

 

[caesar]

I contacted you several years ago for the purpose of getting to know you and understanding who you are. Your reluctance to tell me anything about yourself privately was extremely weird and did not plausibly have anything to do with this wacky claim.

Nothing personal, Ron. I actually like you and complemented your approach in the post..

 

[Ron Resnick]

You see the posts by micro strip, and Times? Ignoring the substance and making personal comments.

Yes; I expected a substantive, lengthy, point by point refutation by Professor Francisco if he actually wanted to challenge your analysis.

 

[microstrip]

Yes; I expected a substantive, lengthy, point by point refutation by Professor Francisco if he actually wanted to challenge your analysis.

Sorry Ron, I don't engage in debates involving posts written with AI guidance. Besides my idea of audio forum participation excludes hate speech and posts over 5000 words.

Anyway, some of the points referred would be a nice subject in another, more healthy and friendly appropriate thread.

 

[caesar]

Yes; I expected a substantive, lengthy, point by point refutation by Professor Francisco if he actually wanted to challenge your analysis.

He can try. He loves to argue. But my analysis is bulletproof. I had Richard Thaler , the Nobel prize winner, as my prof for Decision Making. I also took classes I this area from many leading thinkers. And read broadly on the subject .

I have been thinking about this hobby from this perspective for a long, long time. He’s been reading my posts on these topics for over a decade. All that’s coming from him are personal attacks. Every time.

I’m not into sadism, hence I put in a disclaimer, so guys like that don’t get their feelings hurt. But I guess he can’t help himself.

For those interested in further exploration, I’d start with Kahneman, Thinking, Fast and Slow. Cialdini - influence. Victor Frankl, man’s search for meaning. And Sonja Lyubomirky work on happiness.

 

[Ron Resnick]

Sorry Ron, I don't engage in debates involving posts written with AI guidance. Besides my idea of audio forum participation excludes hate speech and posts over 5000 words.

Anyway, some of the points referred would be a nice subject in another, more healthy and friendly appropriate thread.

What a disappointing cop-out.

There is no "hate speech." I didn't realize you were a snowflake, too.

A professor who can't read over 5,000 words? Some professor!

The fact that it's AI massaged does not make the essay substantively, factually or conceptionally inaccurate.

Altogether this puerile response shows you should hang up your professor cap in shame.

 

[Ron Resnick]

But my analysis is bulletproof.

No, this is arrogant. You did not make a mathematical proof. Virtually no analysis involving the disciplines of social science and psychology and marketing is bulletproof. Your analysis is not bulletproof.

Out of curiosity, what prompted this very long and extensive and well-researched essay, rather than your usual one sentence troll-y opening thread questions?

 

[Ron Resnick]

Anyway, some of the points referred would be a nice subject in another, more healthy and friendly appropriate thread.

Why not extract the points you're interested in debating and reply to them?

 

[andromedaaudio]

He can try. He loves to argue. But my analysis is bulletproof. I had Richard Thaler , the Nobel prize winner, as my prof for Decision Making. I also took classes I this area from many leading thinkers. And read broadly on the subject .

I have been thinking about this hobby from this perspective for a long, long time. He’s been reading my posts on these topics for over a decade. All that’s coming from him are personal attacks. Every time.

I’m not into sadism, hence I put in a disclaimer, so guys like that don’t get their feelings hurt. But I guess he can’t help himself.

For those interested in further exploration, I’d start with Kahneman, Thinking, Fast and Slow. Cialdini - influence. Victor Frankl, man’s search for meaning. And Sonja Lyubomirky work on happiness.

Nobel prize winner level decision making ???

Then make the simple decision to post a picture of your system , so we all know your not a AI robot

 

[Al M.]

Taste requires effort, depth, and intention. Taste is knowing who you are and what you like, and then being able to look outside of yourself and pick out the one thing that resonates with you—that you can incorporate into your mindset and worldview. This is fundamentally different from viewing taste superficially, such as "I like this brand." Developing taste is necessary to have independent opinions and helps you feel recognized, real, and "seen" by yourself. It allows you to know "who you are and what you like."

This is an excellent point, Caesar.

I have known since about 35 years what kind of sound I want, although obviously this idea has been substantially refined and added to by many system experiences since. I never cared about "brands".

Having owned 2-way monitors that I loved I never thought I could buy floorstanders within my budget range that would improve upon the sound without sacrificing in some areas. I attended T.H.E. Show in Southern California in 2023 just for fun, without intention to buy. Together with a friend I stumbled upon a room with floorstanding speakers that I had never heard of before, PranaFidelity, and I was hooked. Over the course of several hours that evening and the following day I was able to play all my critical test CDs that fortunately I had brought with me (not originally intended for the show). It all confirmed that these PranaFidelity Dhyanas were the speakers for me. I had known exactly what I wanted beforehand, and thus knew what to listen for, so I could be sure.

I still love the speakers and in the meantime I have been able to make them sound even better at home than I had thought I would. They are my endgame speakers for my mid-sized room.

And yes, I have heard famous brands before, they were not what I had been looking for. To my ears, these PranaFidelity speakers beat offerings by other more known brands at multiple the price.

The same holds for some other gear that I have.

 

[caesar]

No, this is arrogant. You did not make a mathematical proof. Virtually no analysis involving the disciplines of social science and psychology and marketing is bulletproof. Your analysis is not bulletproof.

Out of curiosity, what prompted this very long and extensive and well-researched essay, rather than your usual one sentence troll-y opening thread questions?

Sure, you are correct: I didn’t perform field research. But in application of theory , based on observation of audiophile actions over many years- as we see on this very site , this is rock solid.

As I mentioned, I wanted to put my thoughts down as one cohesive think piece, rather than bits and pieces that could get misinterpreted. Plus, this is totally original.

PS. Additionally, in all honesty, since no one has ever written a piece like this in the context of high end audio, I wanted to get it out there , in case I get permanently banned