Is it the amps, the speakers...or the amps-speakers synergy?

[audio-land]

We always, in order, consider: Room - Loudspeaker - Amplifier. Loudspeaker for the Room and Amplifier for the Loudspeaker.

 

[marslo]

We always, in order, consider: Room - Loudspeaker - Amplifier. Loudspeaker for the Room and Amplifier for the Loudspeaker.

+1

 

[spiritofmusic]

This is turning out to be a really interesting, thought provoking thread.
My finding Zu was such a serendipitous moment, they sold themselves to me in 5 minutes in 2008, and 7 years later I've never regretted my decision for a moment.
A big plus point has been the ability, nay insistence, for the Zus to make me go SETs, and the combination w/a whole series of system of tweaks is to die for.
And now, w/my second set of Zus and second set of SETs, I'm at a sort of epiphany moment, where I really want for nothing (not saying impvts can't further be wrought)
And so my paradigm has been to stick w/high efficiency/SETs, since this seems to be the "flavour" or "personality" I like.
Hence my choices being - stay as is/go Zu Experiences (soon to be released $30k flagships)/go horns eg AG Duos, Trios or Sadurnis/all sticking w/my Nats SETs as is.

But Audio Land's paradigm really chimes w/me too. Assess the room you're in and what spkrs it will support and won't support. Pick the best one within budget. Find the amps that suit that spkr the best.

No middle way between these two paradigms.

 

[spiritofmusic]

Those aren't my spkrs.

 

[YashN]

We always, in order, consider: Room - Loudspeaker - Amplifier. Loudspeaker for the Room and Amplifier for the Loudspeaker.

Clean Power, proper grounding is paramount too as is vibration control.

 

[YashN]

Properly designed equipment should have adequate internal regulation ,and be correctly grounded .

Nothing is perfectly designed at consumer-level products.

Vibration islation under turntables can be worthwhile.

It's worthwhile in everything.

 

[bonzo75]

Nothing is perfectly designed at consumer-level products.

You should check the components Purite sells. They all measure the best sitting on the floor

 

[audio.bill]

Solid state equipment will gain no benefit whatsoever .
Keith.

Well if you say so then it must be true, regardless of the collective experience of many others including some highly educated engineers. I would kindly suggest making such observational opinions in a manner that declares them to be "in your experience" rather than as being statements of absolute fact.

 

[audio-land]

Clean Power, proper grounding is paramount too as is vibration control.

Agree with the statement, clean power is the foundation of feeding electronics. The cleanest we have found is using a dedicate own power to power the room: Generator Set. It is to much hassle but you won't be living without it after installing and hearing the different.

 

[audio-land]

This is turning out to be a really interesting, thought provoking thread.
My finding Zu was such a serendipitous moment, they sold themselves to me in 5 minutes in 2008, and 7 years later I've never regretted my decision for a moment.
A big plus point has been the ability, nay insistence, for the Zus to make me go SETs, and the combination w/a whole series of system of tweaks is to die for.
And now, w/my second set of Zus and second set of SETs, I'm at a sort of epiphany moment, where I really want for nothing (not saying impvts can't further be wrought)
And so my paradigm has been to stick w/high efficiency/SETs, since this seems to be the "flavour" or "personality" I like.
Hence my choices being - stay as is/go Zu Experiences (soon to be released $30k flagships)/go horns eg AG Duos, Trios or Sadurnis/all sticking w/my Nats SETs as is.

But Audio Land's paradigm really chimes w/me too. Assess the room you're in and what spkrs it will support and won't support. Pick the best one within budget. Find the amps that suit that spkr the best.

No middle way between these two paradigms.

Wish you all the best in finding the right one for your room. If your room can accommodate AG duo, trio and Sadurni, we are just speculating here since we have not compared them in our room, Sadurni will be likely a better choice.

Happy hunting!!

 

[ddk]

Agree with the statement, clean power is the foundation of feeding electronics. The cleanest we have found is using a dedicate own power to power the room: Generator Set. It is to much hassle but you won't be living without it after installing and hearing the different.

What kind of generator you found that was acceptable for your purpose? Many of them will introduce mechanical noise into the lines.
david

 

[audio-land]

What kind of generator you found that was acceptable for your purpose? Many of them will introduce mechanical noise into the lines.
david

Hi David,

No noise at all when you put it on the other room. Ultra silent 53db at 7 meter.

We cracked the wall since the door was too narrow for it. Forklift will be needed unless you have 17 strong friends who can lift this 1700 lbs godzilla.

 

[ddk]

Hi David,

No noise at all when you put it on the other room. Ultra silent 53db at 7 meter.

We cracked the wall since the door was too narrow for it. Forklift will be needed unless you have 17 strong friends who can lift this 1700 lbs godzilla.

Very nice Johan! You really can't depend on commercial electricity these days, specially where you're located.

david

 

[bonzo75]

Wish you all the best in finding the right one for your room. If your room can accommodate AG duo, trio and Sadurni, we are just speculating here since we have not compared them in our room, Sadurni will be likely a better choice.

Happy hunting!!

Hi have you heard both the trios with bass horns and the sadurni

 

[sujay]

Its the speakers and the amp and the room
I went all in and bought the G1's and a devialet and then rebuilt my room to suit the combo
I could write reams on what the system sounds like etc .. but suffice it to say that every time you listen , its not just music , its an experience.

I would second that wholeheartedly! The Devialets make the Giyas sing. The bass response of the Giyas is otherworldly!!

Btw, which devialet amps are you using? i have heard the 400 monos and they sounded absolutely amazing....

Cheers

Sujay

 

[Ron Resnick]

So, in a nutshell, am I right to consider amps-spkrs synergy/pairing as a whole, or still go for the best sounding spkrs, and adjust the amps choice accordingly?

I think this is a false dichotomy. I think one selects the speakers one wants (going for "the best sounding speakers") and then one selects an amplifier which, to one's ears, is synergistic with the speakers ("amplifiers/speakers synergy/pairing as a whole") and which, together with the speakers, creates the sound one wants.

 

[LL21]

I think this is a false dichotomy. I think one selects the speakers one wants (going for "the best sounding speakers") and then one selects an amplifier which, to one's ears, is synergistic with the speakers ("amplifiers/speakers synergy/pairing as a whole") which, together with the speakers, creates the sound one wants.

I can only say that is how i ended up doing it.

 

[ddk]

I think this is a false dichotomy. I think one selects the speakers one wants (going for "the best sounding speakers") and then one selects an amplifier which, to one's ears, is synergistic with the speakers ("amplifiers/speakers synergy/pairing as a whole") and which, together with the speakers, creates the sound one wants.

Not really Ron, its not just about the sound there can be electronic compatibility issues too. As to which approach, its a personal choice, you can't call it false dichotomy. Speaking for my self, I'm sold on Lamm SETs since 1998 and that's it for me and all speaker purchases since have been carefully selected with them in mind. In fact we dropped all other lines in 2000 only carry Lamm products since, so in my case electronics come first.

david

 

[audio-land]

Hi have you heard both the trios with bass horns and the sadurni

Heard Sadurni at the show only. As with Trio, our customer has Trio with bass horn. We are familiar with electronics for the Trio since we have supplied some amps and cables for him. Again, we have not compared them side by side.

 

[Rodney Gold]

I have the D premier.. would consider another for a 500 system , Im not going to upgrade the d prem to a 250 as its eu 4000 and i wont gain much...
I use a pure sine wave 5kva inverter along with a 6 x 200ah deep cycle battery system to power my room , totally silent , pristine power ...cost circa $1700.. its always in line , ie I always have clean power ... the system resides in my garage