Introducing Olympus & Olympus I/O - A new perspective on modern music playback

[soarsz]

this is exactly what I did wrong. I definitely removed the octane drive

This is how mine without music storage is arranged too. I also understood the instructions as reversed.

I definitely removed the Octane drive. Thanks much for the help. Now I get to get the floor again and look up at those dastardly located top screws

 

[Christiaan Punter]

This is how mine without music storage is arranged too. I also understood the instructions as reversed.

this is exactly what I did wrong. I definitely removed the octane drive

I definitely removed the Octane drive. Thanks much for the help. Now I get to get the floor again and look up at those dastardly located top screws

Apologies! I misrepresented the procedure. The music drive is the backmost drive, but when looking at the server from the back panel (connection side), not from the front panel, as mentioned earlier. I just corrected the instructions on the previous page. So sorry for the trouble!

 

[MarkusBarkus]

...yes, I left my Olympus on a small stand, temporarily in front of my system. I could never make this swap with the server in its "proper" position. BTW: I have been back-and-forth with the cards, and am currently listening to the analog card again for comparison.

 

[flyer]

@ray-dude , it was an absolute pleasure meeting you in person, thank you for brightening our Sunday/Monday

A quick question for all those who’ve tried the analog output, what is your opinion on the output level / gain? Would you prefer it to be lower/higher or is it just right?

It is on the lowish side I find.

 

[soarsz]

It is on the lowish side I find.

I am trying to get back to shipping mode. I cannot connect to system. I am wondering f this is due to my having removed the Optane drive? And, if so, how do I safely proceed?

 

[Christiaan Punter]

I am trying to get back to shipping mode. I cannot connect to system. I am wondering f this is due to my having removed the Optane drive? And, if so, how do I safely proceed?

Hi Sam, can you please contact us via support@taikoaudio.com? That way, we can better help you.

 

[tomas329]

Hi all,

I'd like to start by stating i use headphones exclusively as i'm in an apartment with 2 kids under 3 so everything needs to be quiet. I have an MSB select 2 with a digital director connected to raal 1995 immanis headphones through a mass kobo 465. To connect the msb xdmi i have transparent opus xlr cables and for connecting the rca to my mass kobo i am using cardas audio clear sky interconnects (so $20k compared to $800).

Some test songs: (thanks to some members here) fleetwood mac - dreams, johnny cash - hurt, dave matthews band - crash into me, jacob gurevitsch - for your love, bozzio levin stevens - duende, mariah carey - hero, tiesto - boom, rachel podger - vivaldi l'estro armonico, herbert blomstedt - brahms 3&4.

I have been trying to take my time with reviewing the msb xdmi module compared to the taiko analog. Since the card swaps take a minimum of 3 minutes per swap its not always as easy or ideal as I would have liked but here goes:

When i first received my olympus it was relatively easy and quick to compare my msb pro isl to the taiko analog xdmi with a simple cable swap so the differences were very apparent immediately. The taiko card was much smoother sounding than the msb. it was easier to listen to but at the same time had stronger bass than the msb usb. It was easier to notice more details within songs. I couldn't shake the idea though that i was losing something from the msb and initially i wasn't sure i liked the taiko solution. After maybe 15 minutes of comparative listening it became clear the analog board was a hands down winner for me and i chalked up the "missing" portion to being familiarity with my msb dac.

Fast forward to receiving the msb xdmi board and giving it over 100 hours to burn in and the answer is less obvious but i think its still the same. Taking so long to do a card swap makes comparative listening a lot less ideal so i was hesitant about even posting but after swapping and comparing for the last 4+ hours its become clear that it boils down more to preference now. I still find pretty much everything better on the taiko xdmi but i was finally able to figure out what went missing, the msb does better instrument separation and a better job at filling the headphones making a classical performance like brahms symphony 3 feel more grandiose. I felt like i was in the concert hall vs with the analog it felt more intimate than it probably should have been. This might express itself even more in a 2 ch speaker setup. I'm not fluent in audiophile so i'm not sure how better to express what i'm hearing other than its clear that female vocals, violins etc sound "sweeter" and the bass just rumbles more. Its just a more pleasant sound than the msb. My favorite song for the bass was boom by tiesto. just makes my head thump in a good way.

Out of curiosity, and since the swap took so long, i wanted to have some confidence in what i was hearing so i decided to try the msb xdmi vs the msb usb. This is why i've come to the conclusion that its down to preference. The msb xdmi card makes everything better with the same sonic profile as their usb. Its cleaner sounding more detailed and better bass. I wouldn't say its a night and day difference like comparing the msb usb to taiko analog was when i originally did it but everything was just better. If you have an msb dac and an olympus but haven't had a chance to swap the card yet i think you can get a very good feel of what difference you're likely to get just doing msb usb to taiko xdmi.

I'd like to finish this by saying i'm generally a skeptical person and i didn't think there was any way in hell that a cheap off the rack dac chip would be able to compare to my $100k+ system. I also didn't want it to be anywhere close as i only recently bought this system and didn't want to have buyers remorse. I do think on the whole the taiko is just better for 90% of the things i want it to do. I had plans to go up the upgrade path with MSB to their new dac but that's very likely not happening. I don't know if i'll be selling the select 2 and digital director yet as i can see it possibly having some application in a speaker system in a dedicated audio room (which i'm hoping for in the next year to be built out) but i'm definitely leaning towards clearing up space on my rack. I'd also like to add i'm not a vendor or associated with any of the parties mentioned above. i'm just a guy with some buyers remorse. MSB has been great over the last couple years but i think taiko has made me a believer and its definitely the future for now.

Take it fwiw and have a good day

 

[MarkusBarkus]

...Tomas, if your MSB workflow is still set up, might you perhaps try input from the daughter board directly to the dac, by-passing the Digital Director?

There is a "theory" some of us are discussing with regards to the impact of the DD on the XDMI workflow.

I will be doing this myself at some point, but have switched back to the analog card for a bit. Cheers...

ps: are you using DAC cables in your workflow? Specifically, 2m cable from Olympus to MSB?

 

[tomas329]

will do

...Tomas, if your MSB workflow is still set up, might you perhaps try input from the daughter board directly to the dac, by-passing the Digital Director?

There is a "theory" some of us are discussing with regards to the impact of the DD on the XDMI workflow.

I will be doing this myself at some point, but have switched back to the analog card for a bit. Cheers...

ps: are you using DAC cables in your workflow? Specifically, 2m cable from Olympus to MSB?

will do

 

[soarsz]

will do

will do

I was not aware of any DAC cable for connection from Olympus to MSB. I thought that was done with the fiber cable directly into the Pro ISL module.

 

[tomas329]

...Tomas, if your MSB workflow is still set up, might you perhaps try input from the daughter board directly to the dac, by-passing the Digital Director?

There is a "theory" some of us are discussing with regards to the impact of the DD on the XDMI workflow.

I will be doing this myself at some point, but have switched back to the analog card for a bit. Cheers...

ps: are you using DAC cables in your workflow? Specifically, 2m cable from Olympus to MSB

...Tomas, if your MSB workflow is still set up, might you perhaps try input from the daughter board directly to the dac, by-passing the Digital Director?

There is a "theory" some of us are discussing with regards to the impact of the DD on the XDMI workflow.

I will be doing this myself at some point, but have switched back to the analog card for a bit. Cheers...

ps: are you using DAC cables in your workflow? Specifically, 2m cable from Olympus to MSB?

Sorry i missed the DAC cable question. I am not. i have the full taiko suite of router switch and distributor. I'm also using a stromtank for my msb power as i live in NYC and the electric here was worse by far.

 

[DW101]

I was not aware of any DAC cable for connection from Olympus to MSB. I thought that was done with the fiber cable directly into the Pro ISL module.

You should be able to interchange fibre and DAC cables with the SFP 'sockets', with the DAC having the advantage of lower power consumption / noise vs the optical <> electrical conversions of fibre.

 

[MarkusBarkus]

...Pro ISL module goes away. That converts USB to ISL input. Output from Olympus (unless you want it to be USB which is ok) is direct into MSB device. I am suggesting testing SQ directly into Dac machine *instead* of into Digital Director. The connection from server to dd or dac is fiber (or sub DAC). We need new acronyms for this stuff!

 

[tomas329]

So going director to no director is definitely an easier switch and at first i thought maybe it was a placebo effect and i wasn't sure i was hearing what i thought i was but after more listening i think your theory could be correct in that the director is altering the "sweetness" of the presentation. i do think that this is kind of a middle ground between where i was with the taiko analog and the msb with the director. the change is there but its still more subtle than going msb to taiko analog.

I had since been swapping the analog and xdmi to compare without the director and i think its definitely closer now and if i had to choose an msb implementation i would remove the director (so thats up for sale asap haha) but with the time it takes to swap cards its still not as ideal as a cable swap. That said i'm failry certain that the taiko is still better for most of the time for my listening. What i do know is that every time i listen to l'estro armonico by rachel podger the 7th song down (violin concert g major rv 310 3/3 allegro) around 34 seconds it gets very "screechy" and while they both do a good job the taiko is just better at sounding smoother and more bearable.

 

[soarsz]

...Pro ISL module goes away. That converts USB to ISL input. Output from Olympus (unless you want it to be USB which is ok) is direct into MSB device. I am suggesting testing SQ directly into Dac machine *instead* of into Digital Director. The connection from server to dd or dac is fiber (or sub DAC). We need new acronyms for this stuff!

In my MSB, I have a Pro ISL module and connected to it is fiber cable which went to a Pro USB module, and when I was using USB, I connected the USB to that Pro USB module which in turn was connected to the Pro ISL module which I present have installed in my DD. Maybe I am getting something confused here? See pic below. I removed this and connected with the fiber cable coming from the Pro ISL. Is this wrong?

 

[MarkusBarkus]

...my USB to ISL converter is a small external box. USB goes in one side, and fiber comes out the other side of that box, run over to and terminating at my DD. Perhaps I have an older/different workflow?

My understanding for the external box is: remove USB cable (of course) and replace with output from Olympus. If XDMI / MSB version, OEM fiber or DAC, if desired.

I suggested that fiber input go, instead, into the MSB dac, and NOT the DD, which would be the expected workflow, in my mind. Happy to learn, if others have better knowledge on the matter.

 

[MarkusBarkus]

...and a Cascade owner friend told me the Cascade must have the DD as part of its ecosystem, so the stand-alone DD may be for legacy workflows.

 

[Dustin Symanski]

Please stop using DAC (Direct Attach Copper) cables with MSB equipment. There are multiple problems with DAC cables in MSB gear.

First the electrical drivers and receivers to do not have the equalization necessary to drive copper cables directly. It may work but there is a high probability of excess jitter and data corruption. We have incredible error correction but you do not want to rely on it.

Second the DAC cables connect the grounds of the equipment together which will severely affect the ability of the DAC to reject noise coming from the server or source.

Third the signal are routed directly from the cable, if there is any charge on the cable that charge will be dumped directly to the driver and receiver circuitry destroying them.

Fourth optical SFP transmitters and receivers use power but driven with our optimized signaling do not generate significant noise but asking the transmitter to drive a copper cable does generate excess noise.

Fifth near end crosstalk is negligible for optical cables but is excessive for copper cables. This is important for us because of the low jitter clock feedback. Optical SFP modules have negligible crosstalk between the data and clock channels.

I could go on with more problems but these are the important points.

If you want to try other cables, both multimode transmitters and receivers are viable if you exchange them in pairs. Or alternatively SFP+ (10G only) Active optical cables (AOC) are fine to use as well. I like some AOC cables in our test systems. Most of the compatible ones are orange. The 25G cables which tend to be blue have substandard performance in every case I have tested.

 

[pleroma]

Hi all,

I'd like to start by stating i use headphones exclusively as i'm in an apartment with 2 kids under 3 so everything needs to be quiet. I have an MSB select 2 with a digital director connected to raal 1995 immanis headphones through a mass kobo 465. To connect the msb xdmi i have transparent opus xlr cables and for connecting the rca to my mass kobo i am using cardas audio clear sky interconnects (so $20k compared to $800).

Some test songs: (thanks to some members here) fleetwood mac - dreams, johnny cash - hurt, dave matthews band - crash into me, jacob gurevitsch - for your love, bozzio levin stevens - duende, mariah carey - hero, tiesto - boom, rachel podger - vivaldi l'estro armonico, herbert blomstedt - brahms 3&4.

I have been trying to take my time with reviewing the msb xdmi module compared to the taiko analog. Since the card swaps take a minimum of 3 minutes per swap its not always as easy or ideal as I would have liked but here goes:

When i first received my olympus it was relatively easy and quick to compare my msb pro isl to the taiko analog xdmi with a simple cable swap so the differences were very apparent immediately. The taiko card was much smoother sounding than the msb. it was easier to listen to but at the same time had stronger bass than the msb usb. It was easier to notice more details within songs. I couldn't shake the idea though that i was losing something from the msb and initially i wasn't sure i liked the taiko solution. After maybe 15 minutes of comparative listening it became clear the analog board was a hands down winner for me and i chalked up the "missing" portion to being familiarity with my msb dac.

Fast forward to receiving the msb xdmi board and giving it over 100 hours to burn in and the answer is less obvious but i think its still the same. Taking so long to do a card swap makes comparative listening a lot less ideal so i was hesitant about even posting but after swapping and comparing for the last 4+ hours its become clear that it boils down more to preference now. I still find pretty much everything better on the taiko xdmi but i was finally able to figure out what went missing, the msb does better instrument separation and a better job at filling the headphones making a classical performance like brahms symphony 3 feel more grandiose. I felt like i was in the concert hall vs with the analog it felt more intimate than it probably should have been. This might express itself even more in a 2 ch speaker setup. I'm not fluent in audiophile so i'm not sure how better to express what i'm hearing other than its clear that female vocals, violins etc sound "sweeter" and the bass just rumbles more. Its just a more pleasant sound than the msb. My favorite song for the bass was boom by tiesto. just makes my head thump in a good way.

Out of curiosity, and since the swap took so long, i wanted to have some confidence in what i was hearing so i decided to try the msb xdmi vs the msb usb. This is why i've come to the conclusion that its down to preference. The msb xdmi card makes everything better with the same sonic profile as their usb. Its cleaner sounding more detailed and better bass. I wouldn't say its a night and day difference like comparing the msb usb to taiko analog was when i originally did it but everything was just better. If you have an msb dac and an olympus but haven't had a chance to swap the card yet i think you can get a very good feel of what difference you're likely to get just doing msb usb to taiko xdmi.

I'd like to finish this by saying i'm generally a skeptical person and i didn't think there was any way in hell that a cheap off the rack dac chip would be able to compare to my $100k+ system. I also didn't want it to be anywhere close as i only recently bought this system and didn't want to have buyers remorse. I do think on the whole the taiko is just better for 90% of the things i want it to do. I had plans to go up the upgrade path with MSB to their new dac but that's very likely not happening. I don't know if i'll be selling the select 2 and digital director yet as i can see it possibly having some application in a speaker system in a dedicated audio room (which i'm hoping for in the next year to be built out) but i'm definitely leaning towards clearing up space on my rack. I'd also like to add i'm not a vendor or associated with any of the parties mentioned above. i'm just a guy with some buyers remorse. MSB has been great over the last couple years but i think taiko has made me a believer and its definitely the future for now.

Take it fwiw and have a good day

I'm a Taiko fan, and I have an Olympus on order, but can we put this in proper perspective? We're not talking about "a cheap off the rack dac chip ... to compare to my $100k+ system." Olympus/XDMI Analog comes as a $60-80k package, to say it's SOTA engineering is understatement, and it's being compared to a 10-year-old DAC. We're talking about the revolutionary XDMI audio interface, innovative hybrid battery power, monster processor and mobo, firmware innovations, and only then an optional DAC chip. I'm not trying to control anyone's perceptions, and I may decide for this same setup, but let's lay it out accurately.

 

[tomas329]

I'm a Taiko fan, and I have an Olympus on order, but can we put this in proper perspective? We're not talking about "a cheap off the rack dac chip ... to compare to my $100k+ system." Olympus/XDMI Analog comes as a $60-80k package, to say it's SOTA engineering is understatement, and it's being compared to a 10-year-old DAC. We're talking about the revolutionary XDMI audio interface, innovative hybrid battery power, monster processor and mobo, firmware innovations, and only then an optional DAC chip. I'm not trying to control anyone's perceptions, and I may decide for this same setup, but let's lay it out accurately.

I only meant that the actual dac chip inside the olympus was an off the shelf, mass produced and "cheap" by industry standards, chip. It's not some custom proprietary chip with in house design done by taiko like many other dac manufacturers do. I'm also not implying that the Olympus is cheap at all but if you're not going to use their chip and instead opt for the new msb cascade, for example, you can throw another $100k or so on top of it. During my journey I started with the select added the digital director and used a nucleus as the source. The extreme with xdms was a big step up. The Olympus is better than the extreme in every way and a big step up this time (although I feel like if you're only going to use USB and care about value the extreme is likely better since Olympus USB isn' light years ahead). So i think for me if I was doing this all over again right now I'd just opt for the Olympus and likely skip a dac manufacturer (obviously I haven't heard them all and some might be amazing with the new taiko implementation and I do still plan to keep options open and hear other dacs regardless since the journey never ends).

Apologies if I came off like the Olympus is a cheap option I just thought having a $100k+, at the time, dac would add more than something off the shelf and mass produced but I was wrong even though I really didn't want to be