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[bonzo75]

Frank, since you are visiting after many days, take a look at this room...unfortunately in Utah http://www.whatsbestforum.com/showt...stening-Room-1&p=283672&viewfull=1#post283672

 

[f1eng]

Hi Frank, Jack and Manolis point them straight, but at this dealer in Paris http://www.whatsbestforum.com/showt...integrated-amp&p=309925&viewfull=1#post309925 , I got to listen to them pointed inwards as well as straight. He prefers inwards, I preferred straight. It wasn't for the roll off, it was for the soundstage, things got deeper and a bit more in-between. I don't think your room will allow that though, as the sound would hit the speakers in front first.

Ah when I was at Jack's my recollection was that they were pointed at the listening seat, thanks for that.
Yep toeing my Animas out more would mean the Epilogs would maybe intrude more, but sound is a pressure fluctuation in air so it can't hit anything, maybe being a bit pedantic here...

 

[bonzo75]

Ah when I was at Jack's my recollection was that they were pointed at the listening seat, thanks for that.
Yep toeing my Animas out more would mean the Epilogs would maybe intrude more, but sound is a pressure fluctuation in air so it can't hit anything, maybe being a bit pedantic here...

yes possibly at home, at hifi shows where there is more space he points them out - or maybe because Manolis is there too they do that

 

[f1eng]

Frank Hi , I didnt realise you had the phantoms as well,comparing tethered systems must be interesting ?
I have two pairs ,sometimes three in one of my room sit isn't ideal.
Keith.

My intention was not to have the Phantoms and Epilogs here at the same time but that is how it is at the moment. Can't say it has had any noticeable impact on my musical enjoyment though.

 

[f1eng]

yes possibly at home, at hifi shows where there is more space he points them out - or maybe because Manolis is there too they do that

I see.
Enjoying Mahler 2 at the moment

 

[Purite Audio]

Are the three presentations very different, I guess the Phantoms and Epilogues are more or less full range, although you are using similar amplification in/for all three loudspeakers.
Keith.

 

[f1eng]

Frank, since you are visiting after many days, take a look at this room...unfortunately in Utah http://www.whatsbestforum.com/showt...stening-Room-1&p=283672&viewfull=1#post283672

Thanks for the link

 

[bonzo75]

Are the three presentations very different, I guess the Phantoms and Epilogues are more or less full range, although you are using similar amplification in/for all three loudspeakers.
Keith.

Lol, so Anima sounds different because it is not full range? Well played.

 

[dallasjustice]

If you are referring to Bonzo's pictures of my listening room I take offence
If there is anything strewn on the floor it is the odd LP sleeve or CD case and whilst untidy at least I don't have any big flat surfaces reflecting sound.
Fast food detritus is unlikely since I detest fast food.

I learned at least 20 years ago that the most important part of a hifi is the room, and where the speakers are in it. I gave up audiophilia at about the same time, hardly ever change kit but listen several hours per day since I retired.

I am not a very "visual" person so clutter doesn't bother me at all, but IME a cluttered room always sounds better than a plain one.

It may well be that not having the Epilogs where they are would help the Animas, but the Epilogs are probably still the best speakers I have heard so I'm keeping them and they sound best where they are.

I don't come here often but did today since I wanted to see if Bonzo posted anything about Italy.

BTW I am also a fan of the Goldmund Apologues, which the Epilogs superseded and the Analogs too.

Sorry. I was just teasing. I just needed an excuse to post Jesse's massive horn speakers after a raging party.

 

[f1eng]

yes possibly at home, at hifi shows where there is more space he points them out - or maybe because Manolis is there too they do that

Also I have positioned mine to use the room corner to extend the bass horn. Not a speaker position that would work with anything other than horns.

 

[f1eng]

I was tidier than usual and have just come across the playlist I made of the simply and multi-miked recording of the Messiah that I told you about. I haven't listened to it since i bought the Animas, so am doing so again. The difference was marked on the Epilogs and headphones. I still much prefer the simply miked recording, more natural to my ears. Pity nobody uses the technique any more, too difficult I suppose.

 

[f1eng]

Are the three presentations very different, I guess the Phantoms and Epilogues are more or less full range, although you are using similar amplification in/for all three loudspeakers.
Keith.

The Animas are much more rolled off in the treble than either the Epilogs or the Phantoms, even though I have now set the mid and treble controls level (the standard is with some attenuation of each) which gives a more even balance between bass and mid in my room and a bit more sparkle.
The Phantom frequency balance is quite similar to the Epilogs but not as refined with less pure musical timbre.
Amusingly one guy who has been here to listen preferred the Phantoms to the Animas, the Epilogs more again but the price difference is a bit steep the Epilog 1&2 were about €130,000 last time I looked.

 

[Purite Audio]

Lol, so Anima sounds different because it is not full range? Well played.

That does make rather a large difference Ked, depending upon programme.
Keith.

 

[Purite Audio]

The Animas are much more rolled off in the treble than either the Epilogs or the Phantoms, even though I have now set the mid and treble controls level (the standard is with some attenuation of each) which gives a more even balance between bass and mid in my room and a bit more sparkle.
The Phantom frequency balance is quite similar to the Epilogs but not as refined with less pure musical timbre.
Amusingly one guy who has been here to listen preferred the Phantoms to the Animas, the Epilogs more again but the price difference is a bit steep the Epilog 1&2 were about €130,000 last time I looked.

That's interesting ,presumably a conscious decision by the designer, it isn't unusual to roll off the top a little is it, LV I believe do the same .
Do you find the presentation of the sound to be very different?
Keith.

 

[bonzo75]

That does make rather a large difference Ked, depending upon programme.
Keith.

Well I consider them full range

 

[flyer]

Anyone mounted on the ceiling?

Will start with three, yes diffusion can be used on the floor, just as can be used on the ceiling. Lot easier to put on floor though I guess.

Before I get accosted by the retentive masses, I know these most likely scatter rather than diffuse strictly speaking. All I want is better focus and sense of space. Already use wooden devices that scatter behind my rack.

Hi spazmatron, please check my facebook page (see in my signature) and I suggest we get in touch. Don't want to hijack this thread. Cheers!

If you want some overview of the products: http://www.diffusor.com/PDF/Broschyr 2012 LAYOUT_komp wing sida.pdf

Michel

 

[f1eng]

Well I consider them full range

They are definitely full range. I did a FR sweep. Edit { In my room} They go as low in the bass as any musical instrument (other than the rare 64ft stop on an organ) and whilst they roll off more in the treble than the Epilogs it is perhaps not as much as i indicated earlier.

I prefer the Animas for most music.

 

[Purite Audio]

Well I consider them full range

I haven't seen any measurements for them ,perhaps Frank has measured them?
Keith.

 

[f1eng]

That's interesting ,presumably a conscious decision by the designer, it isn't unusual to roll off the top a little is it, LV I believe do the same .
Do you find the presentation of the sound to be very different?
Keith.

There are level controls for mid and treble on the Animas Keith. As installed mine were quite rolled off in the treble, which at least one listener preferred. I have changed the settings myself to give a balance i prefer which is much less rolled off. One person I know thinks I have ruined the sound.

Just a matter of taste I think.

 

[Fiddle Faddle]

bonzo75,

I very much enjoyed your post, as I do all of them. I just wanted to add (almost as an aside and I don't want to make this go too off-topic), but I think those Audio Fidelity recordings (I mean the original Audio Fidelity, not the modern one which has nothing to do with the original) are very under-rated.

I grew up with those recordings. My father bought many of them and he and I had many happy moments listening to them in the late 60s to the mid 70s. We had most of the ones made at the Gay 90s Village and I can truly say that those specific recordings (along with some Deccas) truly cemented my life long obsession with audio technology. We wore those recordings out on our multi-record changer with a heavy tracking ceramic cartridge (yes, sinful I know but even for upper middle class Australia at this time, console players - mahogany monsters - were the norm and high quality component equipment was definitely the exception). Over the last couple of years, I have acquired a couple of the Gay 90s titles and continue to look out for reasonably priced mint, sealed copies of other titles in the catalogue.

I was even sufficiently enthusiastic about the label that I even considered starting a record label whose sole purpose was to reissue the catalogue. I got so far as contacting Sidney Frey's daughter but it was then I realised the master tapes (well, all but a small handful) have been lost.

Nevertheless, I consider the original Audio Fidelity to be one of the great golden age labels and I think the fact that it was such a pioneering stereo disk label goes a long way to explaining and justifying the incredibly varied and eclectic catalogue. Everything from coin operated music boxes to orchestral music, jazz, steam trains, sound effects and anything else you can imagine.

Now back to your normal programming (sorry for the indulgence, but whenever I know someone gets one of these records out on the turntable, I get excited for them. I feel nostalgic too. 8 years old all over again!).