Emm labs DA2 v2 upgrade

Hi Guys,

As of today, my V3 has about 960 hours off running-in and it appears that it requires at least some 900 hours of breaking-in. At this point, I am extremely satisfied with its sound quality! I found that the V3 is able to reproduced the subtleties of rhythm and texture of live, unamplified music. The V3 dynamic performance is especially stunning.
 
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Hi Guys,

As of today, my V3 has about 960 hours off running-in and it appears that it requires at least some 900 hours of breaking-in. At this point, I am extremely satisfied with its sound quality! I found that the V3 is able to reproduced the subtleties of rhythm and texture of live, unamplified music. The V3 dynamic performance is especially stunning.
I'm glad it is sounding great in your system, Andy! I lost track of how many hours are on my DA2i, but I know I was still hearing improvements at 900 hours, and I think beyond. It just gets more natural and rich. As you said: very rhythmic and propulsive, while incredible resolution for fine texture. Truly excellent DAC.
 
Hi Guys,

As of today, my V3 has about 960 hours off running-in and it appears that it requires at least some 900 hours of breaking-in. At this point, I am extremely satisfied with its sound quality! I found that the V3 is able to reproduced the subtleties of rhythm and texture of live, unamplified music. The V3 dynamic performance is especially it will keep getti

Hi Guys,

As of today, my V3 has about 960 hours off running-in and it appears that it requires at least some 900 hours of breaking-in. At this point, I am extremely satisfied with its sound quality! I found that the V3 is able to reproduced the subtleties of rhythm and texture of live, unamplified music. The V3 dynamic performance is especially stunning.
It will keep getting better and will taper off around 2000 hours.
 
For those of you who own a DV2i or a DA2i, there is an update for the streamer. You do it through mconnect. Check your firmware version. This is the v4.4.54 update. I did the update and it makes a good difference.
I didn't do a long enough before and after, but it does seem to change things, reduces noise and makes everything smoother and calmer. More in line with disc transport. I'm wondering if now some of my current noise filters are now a bit overkill. I think that's a good place to be.
 
At first after I upgraded the sound was kinda the same. Small differences nothing major. After a few hours I went down to listen and it was quite a bit better. Was it my ears playing tricks or????
 
At first after I upgraded the sound was kinda the same. Small differences nothing major. After a few hours I went down to listen and it was quite a bit better. Was it my ears playing tricks or????
Back when I running the PS Audio Directstream, I would notice that DAC FPGA updates, even ones had nothing to do with DSP and DAC side, would "burn-in" over hours. Very strange, but I can see this happening.

I had to go out for the day, so I only noticed the small changes in noise and smoothness in a short listening session.
 
Back when I running the PS Audio Directstream, I would notice that DAC FPGA updates, even ones had nothing to do with DSP and DAC side, would "burn-in" over hours. Very strange, but I can see this happening.

I had to go out for the day, so I only noticed the small changes in noise and smoothness in a short listening session.
That’s what I was wondering. An update that needs to be run in. It’s a pretty big improvement after a few hours. Went up for dinner and after that went down to have a listen and I noticed quite a big improvement that I was doubting myself.
 
My DV2 with the V3 upgrade was returned 4/24. I 2nd. what everyone has said.

Many moons ago, beginning with my first (out-of-the-box) high-end CDP, a Wadia, I've found that DAC break-in is an interesting phenomenon. I'm a big fan of the Alison Krauss, Union Station Live CD (DVD). As the Wadia burned-in, I found it interesting, that the crowd's applause became better -- more separate and individual, less harsh.

With the V3 upgrade, I’m hearing the results of a lower Sound Floor – i.e., low level information is reproduced better, making softer passages a bit more discernable

Compared to a symphonic orchestra, solo vocals and ensembles are easy to reproduce. Having the equipment to reproduce symphonic crescendos sans congestion, with as much openness as possible, is a difficult, but a wonderful thing.

Being able to discern individual instruments and their placements in a symphonic hall is vitally important. The V3 upgrade improves that capability.

Several decades ago, I will never forget listening to a pair of Apogee Stages that I eventually bought. While the speakers were really great (albeit lacking in low level bass), the amplification used at the audio store, trounced anything until that time, I had owned or heard. This was exemplified by the crescendo that I heard at the end of the "Batman Theme" (on "The Very Best of Erich Kunzel: Top 20 By Cincinnati Pops Orchestra). I heard that ending extensively. But not with the dynamics, power and especially an openness, like I had never experienced; but absolutely knew I wanted!

Since my beginnings in this wacky hobby, the dynamics of an orchestra were difficult to accurately reproduce. I would turn the volume up for the soft passages in a symphonic piece, but it would be too loud for the more aggressive ones. I knew I was missing something. But didn’t know that it was a lower sound (noise, some call it) floor. I just couldn’t hear what I wanted to hear! Of course, for me, this was decades before the Internet & forums like this and the equipment I now own.

With component change after change, I have never ceased being amazed by the reproduction capabilities of my SoundLab Majestic 845 PX’s. They’ve never been the limiting factor; my electronics have been, as I’ve made incremental improvements over the last approx. 30 years, of owning 3-different SoundLab models. And of course, using the DV2 to directly drive my Atma-Sphere MA-1’s amps, is probably also helpful.

With DV2 V3’s lower Sound Floor, details are more apparent. Soundstage and the 3-D illusion of being there is better. The decay of instrumental notes is a mite bit longer/better.

At the EMM DV* level of a component & ancillary components, accurate frequency responses are a given. What I seek is the illusion of the singer, studio & hall being in my room. Of course, that isn’t possible. But the closer I believe the illusion the better! And the DV2, V3 upgrade has increased the illusion.
 
My DV2 with the V3 upgrade was returned 4/24. I 2nd. what everyone has said.

Many moons ago, beginning with my first (out-of-the-box) high-end CDP, a Wadia, I've found that DAC break-in is an interesting phenomenon. I'm a big fan of the Alison Krauss, Union Station Live CD (DVD). As the Wadia burned-in, I found it interesting, that the crowd's applause became better -- more separate and individual, less harsh.

With the V3 upgrade, I’m hearing the results of a lower Sound Floor – i.e., low level information is reproduced better, making softer passages a bit more discernable

Compared to a symphonic orchestra, solo vocals and ensembles are easy to reproduce. Having the equipment to reproduce symphonic crescendos sans congestion, with as much openness as possible, is a difficult, but a wonderful thing.

Being able to discern individual instruments and their placements in a symphonic hall is vitally important. The V3 upgrade improves that capability.

Several decades ago, I will never forget listening to a pair of Apogee Stages that I eventually bought. While the speakers were really great (albeit lacking in low level bass), the amplification used at the audio store, trounced anything until that time, I had owned or heard. This was exemplified by the crescendo that I heard at the end of the "Batman Theme" (on "The Very Best of Erich Kunzel: Top 20 By Cincinnati Pops Orchestra). I heard that ending extensively. But not with the dynamics, power and especially an openness, like I had never experienced; but absolutely knew I wanted!

Since my beginnings in this wacky hobby, the dynamics of an orchestra were difficult to accurately reproduce. I would turn the volume up for the soft passages in a symphonic piece, but it would be too loud for the more aggressive ones. I knew I was missing something. But didn’t know that it was a lower sound (noise, some call it) floor. I just couldn’t hear what I wanted to hear! Of course, for me, this was decades before the Internet & forums like this and the equipment I now own.

With component change after change, I have never ceased being amazed by the reproduction capabilities of my SoundLab Majestic 845 PX’s. They’ve never been the limiting factor; my electronics have been, as I’ve made incremental improvements over the last approx. 30 years, of owning 3-different SoundLab models. And of course, using the DV2 to directly drive my Atma-Sphere MA-1’s amps, is probably also helpful.

With DV2 V3’s lower Sound Floor, details are more apparent. Soundstage and the 3-D illusion of being there is better. The decay of instrumental notes is a mite bit longer/better.

At the EMM DV* level of a component & ancillary components, accurate frequency responses are a given. What I seek is the illusion of the singer, studio & hall being in my room. Of course, that isn’t possible. But the closer I believe the illusion the better! And the DV2, V3 upgrade has increased the illusion.
As you can see in my profile picture I’m very much an analog guy. That is just one of the turntables I own. I’m relatively new to streaming but quickly catching on. I could never listen to digital for the longest time until I stumbled on this dac. No it’s not analog and will never sound like a turntable but it sounds very, very good and very un-digital. My previous dac was a Ypsilon DAC1000 and it was quite good. Today I had a friend over. Total analog guy. I played one cut from my turntable and the same cut through the DA2i. He was really surprised and said its splitting hairs how good streaming digital could get. If you have a new or upgraded unit, please give it some time. It’s great out of the box but it needs a lot of time and will definitely get a lot better with time.
 
As a former vinyl spinner, I total understand & agree.

I had to forego the vinyl ritual, because of hip & spine issues. I left my 120lb. Galibier Quattro Turntable with its Tri-Planar tonearm & all my albums (but the MFSL Beatles' Box Set) with my son, when we sold him our former house. The MFSL box, I have displayed. As far as The Beatles (& the MFSL box) are concerned, I left my son with the Parlophone Beatles Blue Box Set, which is a good one in its own right! But I digress...

Indeed, having owned 2-Lampizator DAC's & a dCS Rossini prior to the EMM DV2, digital has gotten very close to analog. In some ways its better, in others, well...anymore, it's a tough call, especailly given the expense & the functionality compared to one and the other media driven playback avenues.

As such, I recently found this Absolute Sound article about digital, insightful & thought provoking: "Best DACs Under $50k Series: Tidal Camira LC Review"
The article obviously concerns the Tidal Camira LC (@ a nearly $50,000).

But, I disregarded the DAC and the reviewer's specific comments about it. Instead, I focused upon Tom Martin's lengthy digital conjecturing. Beginning with this:

An important reminder, or maybe new information, is that very important sonic factors in music reproduction often involve “the six major issues of audio believability”. As we’ve outlined them the big 6 are:
  • The problem of recording standards
  • The problem of visual images
  • The problem of spatial imaging
  • The problem of bass in real rooms
  • The problem of dynamics
  • The problem of a-musical digital distortions
 
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Hi Guys,

You are right, basing on my current listening sessions, my V3 has not fully run-in yet.

However, today, with about 980 hours of running in, my listening session was an amazing one! The album used for the listening session was:

György Ligeti String Quartets Nos. 1 & 2; Béla Bartók: String Quartet No. 4 Marmen Quartet (BIS 2693 SACD)


Wow, these performances and recordings are absolutely astonishing! It's as good as it gets. The Marmen Quartet playing sounded so alive in my listening room. Every musical nuance (the subtle variations in dynamics, tempo and expression) were reproduced with absolute clarity and in the form of a very lifelike three-dimensional soundscape.
 
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As you can see in my profile picture I’m very much an analog guy. That is just one of the turntables I own. I’m relatively new to streaming but quickly catching on. I could never listen to digital for the longest time until I stumbled on this dac. No it’s not analog and will never sound like a turntable but it sounds very, very good and very un-digital. My previous dac was a Ypsilon DAC1000 and it was quite good. Today I had a friend over. Total analog guy. I played one cut from my turntable and the same cut through the DA2i. He was really surprised and said its splitting hairs how good streaming digital could get. If you have a new or upgraded unit, please give it some time. It’s great out of the box but it needs a lot of time and will definitely get a lot better with time.
Which cut that you streamed came close to the LP version?
 
As a former vinyl spinner, I total understand & agree.

I had to forego the vinyl ritual, because of hip & spine issues. I left my 120lb. Galibier Quattro Turntable with its Tri-Planar tonearm & all my albums (but the MFSL Beatles' Box Set) with my son, when we sold him our former house. The MFSL box, I have displayed. As far as The Beatles (& the MFSL box) are concerned, I left my son with the Parlophone Beatles Blue Box Set, which is a good one in its own right! But I digress...

Indeed, having owned 2-Lampizator DAC's & a dCS Rossini prior to the EMM DV2, digital has gotten very close to analog. In some ways its better, in others, well...anymore, it's a tough call, especailly given the expense & the functionality compared to one and the other media driven playback avenues.

As such, I recently found this Absolute Sound article about digital, insightful & thought provoking: "Best DACs Under $50k Series: Tidal Camira LC Review"
The article obviously concerns the Tidal Camira LC (@ a nearly $50,000).

But, I disregarded the DAC and the reviewer's specific comments about it. Instead, I focused upon Tom Martin's lengthy digital conjecturing. Beginning with this:
OT: It's hard to know how close digital playback is to analog at this point, because the professional ADC used in the recording is the bottleneck. The absolute closest to analog source you can get at the moment is double or quad rate DSD, but even with that format the imbalance in conversion quality is huge. With a Merging Horus (not to mention less hi-fi established ADCs) you are in the realm of hundreds of dollars per channel, while top DACs are tens of thousands of dollars per channel!

If analog to digital converters can be created and widely adopted with the same investment and quality as on the DAC side, then we will know what the true limitations of current digital audio systems.

Listening to the DA2i, I think we must be very close on the playback side.
 
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OT: It's hard to know how close digital playback is to analog at this point, because the professional ADC used in the recording is the bottleneck. The absolute closest to analog source you can get at the moment is double or quad rate DSD, but even with that format the imbalance in conversion quality is huge. With a Merging Horus (not to mention less hi-fi established ADCs) you are in the realm of hundreds of dollars per channel, while top DACs are tens of thousands of dollars per channel!

If analog to digital converters can be created and widely adopted with the same investment and quality as on the DAC side, then we will know what the true limitations of current digital audio systems.

Listening to the DA2i, I think we must be very close on the playback side.
Completley agree with the sentiment on this thread. I am not sure how many hours are on my DA2 V3, but guessing around 2K at this point. I do not hear any changes....

My turntable was my prefered format, when I was looking for absolute enjoyment of music (albiet, I listen to digital most of the time out of conveinence). Last weekend, for giggles, I spun a recent Chad Kassem (Acoustic Sounds) release of Timekeepers (Count Basie Meets Oscar Peterson). This is a phenomenal reissue, and a glorious pressing. If I was blindfolded, the redbook version comes so close, I doubt I would be able to say that it was digital or analog. I think "splitting hairs" is apropos to the differences with most music played on this DAC. However, with lesser recordings, like Genesis stuff form the 80s, even my SACD rips (DSD format), they do sound good, but the LP sounds a hair better. I have compared the Genesis DSD vs redbook and the DSD versions are an improvement, they sound more alive vs the original redbook (which sounds flat by comparison). On Abacab I think the LP still sounds a little thin, but a little more tollerable than the digital. This is an extreme example, where I would lean towards the LP. Other than some late 70's / early 80's recordings, I have yet to be able to "trip up this DAC" to make it sound non-listenable. I am a little splitting hairs here, cause even with my Abacab example, the SACD still sounds bloddy great, the LP slightly better.

On Phil Collins first solo album the recent Atlantic 75 re-issue on 45 RPM is one of the best sounding LPs I have, but the CD played back on this DAC is just as good - goes back to what I said earlier, its splitting hairs, enough for me to not want to get up, clean the record, and then flip the side every 15 mins (45 RPM).

...just my 2 Canadian pennies :)
 
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