Blackhole Noise Trap for Extraneous Vibrational Energy
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Unfortunately for me as an audiophile I am burdened with actually knowing (or at least having learned about from my amateur radio years) basic electronics, EMI/RFI, grounding and RF theory and practice. I don't believe in audio woo-woo or magic boxes or electronics that continue to work after they are unplugged or devices which claim to detect RF and counteract it without actually containing RF receivers or RF transmitters.
All known laws of science and of physics apply to audio.
As I said, based on zero information, good luck.
There are a handful of other products claiming to deal with noise (mechanical and electrical) at spkrs, incl Entreq MaxMix (£1k/pair), Quiescent Peak Speaker Modules (£3.5k), (discontinued) Vertex AQ Pico Binding Posts Grounding Boxes (c.£500), and these Blackholes (£2.5k).
My guess is they work more similarly than differently, just price differentiates them.
There are a handful of other products claiming to deal with noise (mechanical and electrical) at spkrs, incl Entreq MaxMix (£1k/pair), Quiescent Peak Speaker Modules (£3.5k), (discontinued) Vertex AQ Pico Binding Posts Grounding Boxes (c.£500), and these Blackholes (£2.5k).
My guess is they work more similarly than differently, just price differentiates them.
I will remember that probably the frequencies involved in your amateur radio years are probably not those addressed by some of these devices.
It is extremely easy to reject most of these devices based on their wordy marketing bogus. The real problem is that some of them clearly modify sound characteristics and we are not able to explain why.
This point is easy to rebate in theory - many materials have such thing as long hysteresis.
It seems me you addressing a particular device. Why masking its name?
Surely. It is why I avoid products I a not able to understand. Perhaps I do not know laws of physics enough to be an audiophile ...
We all have our own individual audiophile crosses to bear.
Because I'm surmising the other units with similarly from the blurb I'm reading about them, Blackholes could very well be more similar than different.
How much original is out there re this area?
How much original is out there re this area?
Based on the bit of information that Jean-Fancois gave me and what I hear when I attach them, I view them as "Mechanical Grounding" devices. Products like CAD, Entreq, etc are using a material that removes electrical noise from the ground. The Balckhole is using a material that is removing mechanical (vibration) noise from the component.
He may have one material in the box or he may have a few different types of materials that target different frequencies of vibration. I don't know exactly. What I do know is whatever he put in the box is extremely efficient at removing vibrational noise.
Understanding or belief in the device is not required. It will work whether you believe in it or not. If you are wanting to increase clarity, speed and articulation, particularly in the bass, then these devices will suit you well. If you are headed down a path where you are trying to make the bass thicker and the sound syrupy or bloomy, then this device is not for you.
He may have one material in the box or he may have a few different types of materials that target different frequencies of vibration. I don't know exactly. What I do know is whatever he put in the box is extremely efficient at removing vibrational noise.
Understanding or belief in the device is not required. It will work whether you believe in it or not. If you are wanting to increase clarity, speed and articulation, particularly in the bass, then these devices will suit you well. If you are headed down a path where you are trying to make the bass thicker and the sound syrupy or bloomy, then this device is not for you.
It is not required to connect both terminals of the box. Benefits can easily be heard by connecting only one of the spades. It can be connected to either side (although the negative termial seems better). The two terminals are completely indpendent and could be connected to two totally different things. For example, in one system one side of the box was connected to the negative terminal of a Wilson AlexiaV. The other side was connected to the negative terminal of a Wilson Watch Dog.
I am happy to accept ignoring how things work in this hobby. But are you saying that a device that is electrically connected to a speaker is removing vibration from the speaker?
How do you know that it is "vibrational" noise ? Vibration of what?
Interesting. Thank you.
But -- okay -- they can be connected in different ways. When each spade is connected to a different component does the box have any efficacy?
I don't know if I would use the word "detect" as that implies some sort of electronics. In an ideal world there would not be any vibration happening at the speaker's binding posts. But, since they are connected the woofers then there is vibration. The box provides a path for that vibration to be damped.
Todd, just let it go...
If folks want to explore this? So be it. It's not your...shall I say? Position to convince one or another.
You said what your observations were. Fair enough. Let others decide whether or not they want to trust you on this venture....
If they do or don't? It makes no difference to you. Roll with it...
Tom
If folks want to explore this? So be it. It's not your...shall I say? Position to convince one or another.
You said what your observations were. Fair enough. Let others decide whether or not they want to trust you on this venture....
If they do or don't? It makes no difference to you. Roll with it...
Tom
Tom, why are you trying to discourage Todd’s discourse regarding these devices? He has brought a, virtually, unknown new high end audio accessory to the attention of its target audience without fanfare or hyperbole. To my knowledge, he has no commercial interest in this product, so nothing to gain by taking his time to post about it on this forum other than to share knowledge about a device he has found beneficial in his system and perhaps others may, as well.
I don’t understand your motive(s) in the above comments.
I honestly have no motive. Todd is a friend of mine and it was just a friendly comment from myself to him. Todd's an adult and can choose to either ignore me or not. He is just being asked questions that are (at this point) unanswerable and it was getting him nowhere fast . Based upon history, the naysayers that demand knowing everything about the device will eventually call out, "snake oil", and the whole sharing of knowledge thing goes down the toilet. I fear that the naysayers are the same folks who will never even try this device, yet they will usually end up being the most vocal about their point of view.
Just as an FYI, I am following this thread. Not as a "moderator", but as someone who has an interest in this device. I just so happen to trust the man, even without extensive knowledge of the product or what's inside it.
Tom
Just as an FYI, I am following this thread. Not as a "moderator", but as someone who has an interest in this device. I just so happen to trust the man, even without extensive knowledge of the product or what's inside it.
Tom
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