Another should I add vinyl thread

[wil]

I've paid zero attention to streaming. Classical is not a genre where one jumps around from track to track,

For some reason, this always comes up in discussions about streaming. It always comes across us sort of a backhanded slight. There’s no reason why streaming music as opposed to putting on an LP or CD necessarily precipitates listening by skipping around. I listen by streaming and I only listen to complete albums, of which classical is at least half. And, depending on the recording, it sounds wonderful.

 

[tima]

For some reason, this always comes up in discussions about streaming. It always comes across us sort of a backhanded slight. There’s no reason why streaming music as opposed to putting on an LP or CD necessarily precipitates listening by skipping around. I listen by streaming and I only listen to complete albums, of which classical is at least half. And, depending on the recording, it sounds wonderful.

I do not regularly involve with discussions of streaming so I don't have a clue about what always come up. I agree that whatever the media nothing happens necessarily. Some who do streaming claim they like the ability to jump from one offering to another but I can't speak to how that comes across.

 

[Al M.]

Thanks for the further explaination. It definitely helps me to learn.

You're welcome, but I am just giving my opinion. Not everyone's perception is the same.

Ed Meither of EMM doesn’t believe in external clocks. He’s rather direct about the topic. (Stereophile).

Yes, he has a strong opinion, one that appears to be shared by many engineers. On the other hand, the external clock of the dCS Vivaldi seems to provide great sound quality for the DAC (I have heard the entire Vivaldi 4-stack), so who am I to judge the engineering choices by dCS?

In my DAC, as in so many others including yours, the internal clock has the last word. The reclocker after the transport just helps along the way. As far as I know, in recording studios you also have clocking at different stages, and/or an external masterclock that synchronizes it all.

 

[Al M.]

PS: someone commented on the DA2 DAC. The DA2 v2 DAC is a completely different DAC in SQ and when mixed with the EMM PRE a delight to listen to. I can’t turn it off - 10 hours already today.

Excellent. Great digital can be very engaging!

 

[Hi-FiGuy]

I do not regularly involve with discussions of streaming so I don't have a clue about what always come up. I agree that whatever the media nothing happens necessarily. Some who do streaming claim they like the ability to jump from one offering to another but I can't speak to how that comes across.

My music listening has taken an about face 100%. For me at the moment it is about discovering music that I don't have versus the music I do have on the shelf for the last 4 decades. I love discovering new music at the moment.

There is a playlist on Spotify called Whisky Blues the best of Slow Blues/Rock by a guy that curates a few play lists, goes by Dons Tunes, think he is on you tube also under the same name, great stuff not all by famous people, but great music.

I love sitting in my chair with my laptop...in my lap, for hours and hours discovering new to me music, it makes me smile.

I have not bought any new vinyl in quite some time. I have actually culled the collection quite a bit. Gone are the days that if you wanted to have all the music out there so just in case someone wanted to hear something you to go buy it and I don't have many people over like I used to anyways.

It is all about your personal journey anyways and what ever floats your boat is not the same water that floats the next persons boat.

 

[tima]

I love sitting in my chair with my laptop...in my lap, for hours and hours discovering new to me music, it makes me smile.

It's great that you found a way that is satisfying. There are many ways.

When I go into my audio room I enjoy being disconnected.

 

[Hi-FiGuy]

When I go into my audio room I enjoy being disconnected.

100%

 

[sbo6]

This is exactly what I did. Two years ago I purchased a digital only system. As many here may recall, I thought I had arrived. I had a good analogue sounding DAC and the music was great. It was enjoyable. I now have a new digital system (EMM DAC + PRE + N30SA), which has been upgraded. It's awesome and still breaking in. I really like my digital! Yes, it sounds analogue!!!

We just moved a couple months back. All my friends in N FL have vinyl. This is essentially all they listen to. So, when I visited them during the last few months, I heard vinyl again and again and again. During this time I think I learned how to listen better. I wasn't really trying to, but it was just happening. I was being drawn more and more into the music. There was more emotion being set free in my soul when hearing vinyl. I began to realize what I was missing. I heard the differences more and more - and they weren't subtle.

I desired a TT before all this, but the visiting and listening to other's systems got me addicted. My TT will be delivered and setup on the 15th, 'if all goes as planned.' A TT pro is flying in to set it all up with my dealer... I was told to expect at least an 8 hour setup (J. Sikora Standard Max [183 lbs.], KV12 tonearms, Opus1, MSL SP carts).

Something else I've discovered in this exercise. I'm not really a classical music type person. I listened to some on streaming (N100H which is gone now), but it just didn't grip me. But with the differences I'm hearing with vinyl I'm actually somewhat drawn more to it. At a friend's home, I requested to hear classical album. That's not like me at all. I'm still going to listen to female vocals and soft rock for sure, but I never thought I would say that I enjoyed classical.

Warning: If you have a digital only system, don't visit friends that have a well set-up vinyl system. You're going to desire one!

Congrats! I'm glad you are happy. I would change your last sentence to say, "Warning: If you have a digital only system, don't visit friends that have a well set-up vinyl system. You're going to desire one and need a ton of $ to afford it!"

 

[DasguteOhr]

you don't need a lot of money to be happy digitally or analogously. exsample. digital a computer dante protocol (digital audio network through ethernet) and a lynx hilo dac costs 6000 € or a clearaudio dc performance turntable with tagential tonearm tt5 with ortofon mc 30 super and a good phonoamp. both cost € 6000 and many would be surprised how close that plays to really expensive devices.
if I had to start all over I would choose one of the two and be happy.

 

[Audire]

Congrats! I'm glad you are happy. I would change your last sentence to say, "Warning: If you have a digital only system, don't visit friends that have a well set-up vinyl system. You're going to desire one and need a ton of $ to afford it!"

LOL I agree some vinyl rigs can cost a lot - a whole lot. I’m investing app the same in my vinyl rig as I have in my digital one. However, there are many TT systems out there that wouldn’t break the bank.

 

[Solypsa]

you don't need a lot of money to be happy digitally or analogously. exsample. digital a computer dante protocol (digital audio network through ethernet) and a lynx hilo dac costs 6000 € or a clearaudio dc performance turntable with tagential tonearm tt5 with ortofon mc 30 super and a good phonoamp. both cost € 6000 and many would be surprised how close that plays to really expensive devices.

Always wondered why Dante/ Ravenna protocol are rare for audiophile dacs...ok its off topic

 

[sbo6]

you don't need a lot of money to be happy digitally or analogously. exsample. digital a computer dante protocol (digital audio network through ethernet) and a lynx hilo dac costs 6000 € or a clearaudio dc performance turntable with tagential tonearm tt5 with ortofon mc 30 super and a good phonoamp. both cost € 6000 and many would be surprised how close that plays to really expensive devices.
if I had to start all over I would choose one of the two and be happy.
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Just an FYI - the digital is ~5.5K USD, the analog assuming a proportionally priced phono preamp at ~2K USD brings the analog to about 2x the digital cost.

 

[sbo6]

LOL I agree some vinyl rigs can cost a lot - a whole lot. I’m investing app the same in my vinyl rig as I have in my digital one. However, there are many TT systems out there that wouldn’t break the bank.

True, and there are even more so in digital. ;-)

 

[DasguteOhr]

Here not analog new not used
Clearaudio TT ~2k€
Tonearrm tt5 ~ 2.4k€
Ortofon mc 950€
Phonoamp tube innovative audio kit 750€~1100€

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Digital new
audiophile laptop 64gb ram better power supply and good dante card
~ 2600-3000€
Lnyx hilo or burl bomber dac ~2700€
Ok digital is a little bit cheaper

 

[sbo6]

Here not analog new not used
Clearaudio TT ~2k€
Tonearrm tt5 ~ 2.4k€
Ortofon mc 950€
Phonoamp tube innovative audio kit 750€~1100€

Innovative Audio HQ Version / Röhren Phono MK2B / Phonomopped / Version 2021 (6024913783) | Phonoverstärker | Angebot auf audio-markt.de

Angeboten wird „HQ Version / Röhren Phono MK2B / Phonomopped / Version 2021“ von Innovative Audio aus der Kategorie „Phonoverstärker“ bei audio-markt.de - dem Online-Marktplatz für High-End. Das Inserat mit der Nummer 6024913783 endet am 28.05.2024 um 06:54 Uhr.

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Digital new
audiophile laptop 64gb ram better power supply and good dante card
~ 2600-3000€
Lnyx hilo or burl bomber dac ~2700€
Ok digital is a little bit cheaper

Clearaudio TT - $3000 USD = $2660 €
link: Clearaudio Performance DC – Overture Ultimate Home Electronics? (overtureav.com)

Tonearrm tt5 - $4500 USD = $3986 €
link: Clearaudio TT-5 Tonearm – Overture Ultimate Home Electronics? (overtureav.com)

Google the rest, analog is way more $, not to mention platter mat, isolation footers, cleaning machine, etc...

 

[DasguteOhr]

Clearaudio TT - $3000 USD = $2660 €
link: Clearaudio Performance DC – Overture Ultimate Home Electronics? (overtureav.com)

Tonearrm tt5 - $4500 USD = $3986 €
link: Clearaudio TT-5 Tonearm – Overture Ultimate Home Electronics? (overtureav.com)

Google the rest, analog is way more $, not to mention platter mat, isolation footers, cleaning machine, etc...

I would buy where things are cheap, my tip. as a starter you don't need any large accessories. that comes later when you want more sound, is my experience.
With tonearm and cart

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TT 5 tonearm

ClearAudio TT5 Tangential Tonarm

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We can argue about it for a long time now, but I promise you that both digital and analog will play at a very high level. that no upgrade is necessary at first.peace have fun