A Search for Truth and Tonality

[Phelonious Ponk]

I could say something along the lines of "Humour is the last refuge of someone who believes that audio issues are not complex". But I won't ...

Oh, I believe many issues in audio are very complex, Frank. I just don't believe you're addressing any of them.

Tim

 

[Ronm1]

^^ Naked Gun is my guess.

^ Tim, must be complex. We have a thread that attempts to simplify and breakdown a complex universe issue into simple lines of thought. OTOH, we also have a thread that appears to take a simple soundstage issue into a complex web where Einstein would drop the pipe, take up cigarettes and then go look for another cousine. The human drive for understanding is quite remarkable.

 

[NorthStar]

^^ Naked Gun more than likely.

That series is totally wicked! ...Canadian actor too (the main guy: Leslie Nielsen). :b

 

[Orb]

Airplane
I think it is from the scene when they are in discussion with the control tower.
Rumack: Can you fly this plane, and land it?
Ted Striker: Surely you can't be serious.
Rumack: I am serious... and don't call me Shirley.

Still one of the funniest scenes in that film was the pilots Oveur and Roger.

Cheers
Orb

 

[NorthStar]

Airplane
I think it is from the scene when they are in discussion with the control tower.
Rumack: Can you fly this plane, and land it?
Ted Striker: Surely you can't be serious.
Rumack: I am serious... and don't call me Shirley.

Still one of the funniest scenes in that film was the pilots Oveur and Roger.

Cheers
Orb

LMAOL ...Good one! :b

 

[fas42]

Oh, I believe many issues in audio are very complex, Frank. I just don't believe you're addressing any of them.

Tim

I've suggested several times someone giving me a phone call, Tim, it's pretty easy to pick what the system is doing right even over that miserable excuse of a communications link. Quite interesting that people clamour for "proof" but when I offer it up, no-one's interested, hmmmm ...

"You want the Truth!! You can't handle the Truth!" -- from somewhere or other ...

Frank

 

[fas42]

Airplane
I think it is from the scene when they are in discussion with the control tower.
Rumack: Can you fly this plane, and land it?
Ted Striker: Surely you can't be serious.
Rumack: I am serious... and don't call me Shirley.

Still one of the funniest scenes in that film was the pilots Oveur and Roger.

Cheers
Orb

Down here it was called "Flying High", so many excellent spots: the drinking "problem", reviving the "autopilot", putting the plane into gear, girlfriend running alongside the plane, the airport PA dialogue. For that sort of comedy, about as good as it gets ...

Frank

 

[Steve Williams]

I've suggested several times someone giving me a phone call, Tim, it's pretty easy to pick what the system is doing right even over that miserable excuse of a communications link. Quite interesting that people clamour for "proof" but when I offer it up, no-one's interested, hmmmm ...

"You want the Truth!! You can't handle the Truth!" -- from somewhere or other ...

Frank

Hi Frank

all too often you complain that the RF on your telephone line messes with your sound so I am at a loss as to how a phone call would prove your claim

 

[fas42]

Hi Frank

all too often you complain that the RF on your telephone line messes with your sound so I am at a loss as to how a phone call would prove your claim

Cheers, Steve. Yes, there would be a subtle fall off if I took the call on the cordless, but I doubt very much whether that would be perceptible on POTS (Plain Old Telephone System)! If the worst came to the worst, I could switch back to the conventional landline, which is what I do still, for maximum quality.

Rather, the phone call could demonstrate the ability of the setup to create realistic and convincing dynamics, as an example having my wife talk in the room at the same time as the system was running at high volume. But the main signature of getting "good" sound is that the interaction with the room creates a tonality that the ear picks as being right, and this comes across even on a conventional phone.

Interestingly, my wife's daughter who learnt piano for years, achieved 6th grade I think, was talking to her by phone about a week ago, and exclaimed, "Who's playing your piano at the moment?!". Well, the answer was ...

Frank

 

[Phelonious Ponk]

I've suggested several times someone giving me a phone call, Tim, it's pretty easy to pick what the system is doing right even over that miserable excuse of a communications link. Quite interesting that people clamour for "proof" but when I offer it up, no-one's interested, hmmmm ...

"You want the Truth!! You can't handle the Truth!" -- from somewhere or other ...

Frank

You offer an audition on a phone Line from the US to Australia as "proof? Frank, you are totally whacked.

Tim

 

[mep]

You offer an audition on a phone Line from the US to Australia as "proof? Frank, you are totally whacked.

Tim

This is as good example as any when I say that every day is open season on Frank. Everyone on this forum is *protected* against out and out slams, but not Frank. Nobody gets mod green ink for slamming Frank. Even some of the mods are known to jump in on the Frank beatings.

It reminds me of the Larson cartoon of the two deer and one of them has a bullseye on his chest and the other deer says “Bummer of a birthmark Hal.” Even if Frank painted the bullseye on himself, it somehow doesn’t seem fair that only Frank can be given beatings on a daily basis with impunity.

 

[fas42]

Well, I do bring it upon myself for seeming to be so radical, and so forthright in proclaiming what I consider important. Which appears to be in direct contradiction to what a lot of people experience, and believe. So, many of you are disturbed by what I say, and are reacting to it quite strongly. It makes sense that it be so, and that's OK with me, so long as bit by bit a few of you get at least some aspect of my message.

Tim, in general it's pretty easy to pick over the phone whether background sounds are coming from a hifi, or from someone really playing an instrument. If that drummer in your band answered while still playing (clever chap!) do you think you would have any problem distinguishing that from him having his stereo wound up playing a drumming recording?

Frank

 

[NorthStar]

Frank, I do capture some aspect of your message(s). ...And you have all my respect too.

I even get your great sense of humor. :b

Bob

 

[fas42]

Frank, I do capture some aspect of your massage. ...And you have all my respect too.

I even get your great sense of humor. :b

Bob

Better be careful with those "massages", some people might get the wrong idea!

Thanks, Bob, I'll tell you, it's hard work ... I build up quite a sweat, working the keyboard mightily, grabbing people by the throat, and shaking vigorously ...

I think I'll try another hobby next life! :b

Frank

 

[Phelonious Ponk]

This is as good example as any when I say that every day is open season on Frank. Everyone on this forum is *protected* against out and out slams, but not Frank. Nobody gets mod green ink for slamming Frank. Even some of the mods are known to jump in on the Frank beatings.

It reminds me of the Larson cartoon of the two deer and one of them has a bullseye on his chest and the other deer says “Bummer of a birthmark Hal.” Even if Frank painted the bullseye on himself, it somehow doesn’t seem fair that only Frank can be given beatings on a daily basis with impunity.

Point well-taken. I probably shouldn't answer Frank's posts at all, in the spirit of "if you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all." I've searched my mind. There really is no response to his telephone audition post, or many of his posts for that matter, that is both honest and respectful.

Tim

 

[NorthStar]

Sorry for the typo Frank; I just fixed it. :b

 

[treitz3]

There really is no response to his telephone audition post, or many of his posts for that matter, that is both honest and respectful.

Honestly, that's about the most respectful way one could put it.

 

[mep]

And I didn't mean to pick on you Tim as lots of people like to pile on Frank. All I'm saying is there should be one set of standards for how everyone on this forum is treated. As long as Frank is a member here, he should get the same treatment and mod protection against personal slams that everyone else is afforded. We all have the ability to put people on ignore and I know some have me there which is fine. I have had Frank on ignore for quite some time as it makes it easier not to be tempted to join in the beatings that are dished out to him on a regular basis.

 

[fas42]

Thanks for those words of support, Mark, even though you're "ignoring" me: when you're thumping me in the head I'll feel better, knowing your heart isn't in it ... :b

Frank

 

[fas42]

And BTW, obviously a phone call is not going to prove "high quality" audio, but it will indicate strongly that the system is capable of doing the sort of things I keep mentioning in the forum. For example, having the volume at maximum, and moving from the far end of the house to right next to the speakers, without the sound degenerating to normal midfi racket.

Frank