Can You Believe This-The Government Wants Us To Go EV but In So Doing They Will impose a gas surcharge
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I am all for clean alternatives, for those willing to pay early adopter costs out their own pockets. Some gov’t funding of R&D, so long as not payback to political donors like the Solyndra debacle. Or, like Steve is doing, trying to get to zero cost driving using his solar panels to feed his car. I don’t have the option—unless I cut down the CO2 gobbling trees on my property.
My big question is simple... do we have any REAL evidence reducing carbon dioxide emissions will actually have any impact whatsoever on global temperatures? Its all a hypothosis no matter how many well intentioned people believe it (assuming folks are indeed well intentioned.)
My big question is simple... do we have any REAL evidence reducing carbon dioxide emissions will actually have any impact whatsoever on global temperatures? Its all a hypothosis no matter how many well intentioned people believe it (assuming folks are indeed well intentioned.)
Empirical Audio
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It has nothing to do with either. It's all about the government providing a safety net for the people, so they are not stressed or concerned about employment, survival or illness.
This is exactly what we need in this country.
Empirical Audio
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Really? Just because you can't do it, you don't want to encourage others?
Of course we do. Even Exxon did studies back in the late 70's and published reports that fossil fuel emissions were warming the planet and Exxon was concerned. They had a whole group of climate scientists employed in one division. Then when they realized it was bad for business, fired all of these scientists in the 80's and started a debunk campaign. This is well documented in their own internal documents. They continue to this day to pretend that they are the Climate Change "good guys" in ads on TV every day. It's all PR BS to protect their industry from early demise before they can milk it for all they can.
The climate science is clear. The earth has been continually warming since the industrial revolution and now the population is so large and human CO2 emissions so huge that the planet's warming is accelerating. There are 32 million barrels of oil put into the atmosphere every single day. And that is not including the natural gas, methane and flaring. How can you not think that this will cause harm to the planet?
The rate of change of both CO2 and the earths temperature rise is UNPRECEDENTED in the history of the earth, not just man. Just go the EPA website and look at their charts and pie-graphs. Just look at the graphs from NOAA, DOE and NASA. Since the 1970's the temperature of the land, the atmosphere and the oceans have been rising dramatically. You cannot blame this on a sun-cycle either. Just look at the graph below. Do the work yourself. The planet is everyone's planet.
As you can plainly see, transportation is the #1 emitter and half of it is passenger vehicles.
Overlay the CO2 content in the atmosphere with the rise in temp and they track one for one.
Here is the historical rise in CO2 over the last million years.
I could just as easily post a lot of graphs and research that contradicts your arguments. But this isn't a climate forum. I believe the original post had to do with taxes since EV's don't pay fuel taxes which contribute to road building/maintenance. (A sketchy enough topic for this forum from the outset I'd say. 
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Empirical Audio
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Global Warming is not natural or political.
Best places to live on the planet have everything to do with politics and government.
Empirical Audio
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I could just as easily post a lot of graphs and research that contradicts your arguments. But this isn't a climate forum. I believe the original post had to do with taxes since EV's don't pay fuel taxes which contribute to road building/maintenance. (A sketchy enough topic for this forum from the outset I'd say.
Lets see them. I want to know the sources Every single one will be sourced from the big oil companies. They are putting billions into defending their pollution.
I've only shown you the easy to access graphs. There are hundreds more from many reputable agencies, governmental, private and academic.
The worldwide overwhelming consensus is that humans are warming the planet. You still believe the earth is flat too? The moon mission in 1969 was a farce?
This is a good point. I am typically skeptical of quality of life country rankings which show the Scandinavian countries ranking very high. Often if I look at the underlying determinants of the aggregate score I see things that don’t make a lot of sense and which, to me, invalidate the results.
Weather is rarely one of the factors in these rankings. For me personally cold weather alone most of the year would make the Scandinavian countries a very undesirable place for me to live.
Finally something I see here to agree with!
Good job to all for staying away from politics. Please let’s continue to keep it that way.
Dude, relax. You won't change my opinions, and I have no interest in changing yours.
If the USA became carbon neutral (I am not even sure what that term means today) tomorrow how much of the global warming problem would be solved if China continues its current level of fossil fuels emissions?
How do you address the country-by-country free-riding problem? Why should small countries take expensive action against global warming when their participation doesn’t move the needle, yet they enjoy the benefits of the big countries reducing their emissions?
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Similarly, Minneapolis rates quite highly on these metrics. I chalk it up to a particular breed who just likes that cold environment not some societal utopia.
The climate that warmed the Ice Age was natural, surely not man-made. It just took a long time.
I agree with your second statement. It is a good explanation for why people are moving from CA to Texas: it has everything to do with politics and government.
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Our largest state provides a safety net for its people, perhaps bigger than other states, and yet they seem stressed and concerned about employment, survival, and illness, especially in the population centers.
I know little about the government of Norway. I presume that the officials are elected and that they represent the interests of those who elect them. If that is indeed the case, then I do think the homogeneity and population size (nature) and common principles, societal cohesion and shared core values (nurture) has everything to do with why the policies are the way they are and why the country functions as well as it does.
The much larger and more diverse population with its conflicting values and core principles is precisely why the US is less functional and faces greater challenges. Despite all of that, simply based on where migration patterns flow, the US seems to be a fairly popular immigrant destination.
We should celebrate our diversity and the incredible sense of opportunity that exists here as in few places on the planet, made possible by our form of government and our adhesion to the Constitution. Rather than wallowing in doom and gloom, we should come together and seize the opportunity that is before us. I see reason to be optimistic.
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Yesterday I was checking which countries and cities contribute to the cleanest (non-polluted) environment in the world, and going electric cars faster than any other cities. It was illuminating to say the least. I won't mentioned them because I'm sure most people already know.
Sure some cities in Europe are @ the top in those departments.
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By the way, I just got this message repetitively (about a dozen times) before trying to reply.
It is extremely rare and very unusual ...
I only mention it in case I'm not alone ...
Do I want a Tesla parked in my garage? Btw this is common.
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