Master Built-What are Owners Hearing That They Didn't Hear With Other Cables

[Leif S]

Although all of this is interesting to read, this is all speculation. To my knowledge, MB only gave a tiny insight on how this material used for the Ultra line came about. But again it's interesting reading your post.

 

[Steve Williams]

It's all speculation Leif and as you say so often "lol" about everyone who does such

 

[Leif S]

It's all speculation Leif and as you say so often "lol" about everyone who does such

Oh by the way...

Your speculated power cords should arrive here today or tomorrow

 

[Steve Williams]

Thanks Leif. I've been missing them and speculating as to when they might show up.

 

[Folsom]

Why? Why couldn't it be a demerit?

Johnson noise is proportional to square root of resistance. Since superconductors have higher resistance at room temperature, they actually have higher noise than copper/silver. It is when the alloy is at superconducting state that it loses its resistivity, not at room temp. If what you assume is true then electronic instruments would use them but they do not.

Again, CERN uses them at near absolute zero. Their material completely acts differently then. It is a sudden transformation that occurs that does not exist otherwise and certainly not at room temp. See this graph:

What you demonstrating is that as soon as people hear the word "superconductor" they assume goodness. Simple look under the cover shows that it has no benefit and actual demerit in real life. The knowledge is specialized so companies are safe in assuming people won't look under the cover.

True, but again, if you're tuning the R then that isn't the problem. Nor is it the last word in concern.

Electronic instruments use resistors, so what's your point? So what if they don't hand wind their own from super conductors? They are lower amperes, too, with little need for heat dissipation.

As Leif points out, we don't get to see the entire picture, but so long as they are actually using superconducting material (the right one) I can see some very good benefit potential.

Although it's funny because you probably would never buy them Amir. And I agree that "superconductor" is a buzzword that at first made me think they must be nonsense, but then I thought some more and realized the potential value.

 

[Steve Williams]

He's only speculating Folsom. He has zero clue on the make up of these cables. Merely fodder for a wet day

 

[Steve Williams]

So let's get back on topic which is Master Built-What are Owners Hearing That They Didn't Hear With Other Cables

Not interested in anything but first hand experience here. Anything else will be deleted as will any attempt to take the thread off topic

 

[Steve Williams]

To get back on topic......

I found this thread that went unnoticed by everyone from a member who posted his impressions of some prototypes of Ultra interconnects here in 2013. I wish I had read it sooner and looked into it as what he heard is virtually identical to what I heard as well. Twice I have had the equipment in and twice all or part of the loom was removed so I know what he meant when he talked about removing the cables and going back to what he had before. I'm hoping my new Ultra PC's show up tomorrow as the difference with and without is significant

http://www.whatsbestforum.com/showt...-interconnects&p=194741&viewfull=1#post194741

 

[Leif S]

Oh wow!!!

I never saw that thread. If memory serves correctly, he is now running all Ultra SC's and interconnects, and running all Signature PC's.

 

[Speedskater]

Speculation is just that. You should pony up and buy yourself an Ultra cable and then tell us what you really think.........

Why would anyone buy or even try a product that makes unsupported technical claims?

 

[Folsom]

Why would anyone buy or even try a product that makes unsupported technical claims?

First hand experience in quality of sound.

You could tell me that Furutech's sockets use unicorn farts to reduce EMI, I'd still buy them after the experience of how good they are for sound.

Not everyone is into giving you all the IP they can fork over.

 

[Steve Williams]

Why would anyone buy or even try a product that makes unsupported technical claims?

Not sure what unsupported technical claims MB has made but why don't you have a listen and then let's talk. This is what this thread is about

 

[dan31]

Any word on the phono cable offering? Will they have a phono for the lower tier? Those ultra's are pricey. I'm sure they are substantial, but unfortunately way beyond my budget.

 

[microstrip]

Why would anyone buy or even try a product that makes unsupported technical claims?

Because most products that make just supported technical claims concerning sound quality are uninteresting ...

 

[Steve Williams]

Any word on the phono cable offering? Will they have a phono for the lower tier? Those ultra's are pricey. I'm sure they are substantial, but unfortunately way beyond my budget.

I'll pass your question on to Leif when I see him tomorrow as the wait has been killing me so I'm driving to Riverside tomorrow to pick up my Ultra PCs

 

[Mike Lavigne]

Because most products that make just supported technical claims concerning sound quality are uninteresting ...

I cannot recall the last time I purchased a product based on technical claims. seems beside the point. I either i like what it does or I do not. whether it performs because the claims are true, or because they are not true.....matters not a whit to me.

but I suppose we all acquire products to fulfill our own particular needs. technical validation is just not a need I have.

 

[Folsom]

but I suppose we all acquire products to fulfill our own particular needs. technical validation is just not a need I have.

That's how I tend to feel about iPhones. I'm not a user because I don't need the phone to validate me with silliness and pseudo-pro inside "you're smart because you know" crap.

But you make a very good point. Biases for needing validation through measurements are just as bad as anything else in the grand scheme. It's not as if you do yourself a favor by going with something that appeals to that immature sensibility, but you actually don't like to listen to as much.

 

[adyc]

Biases for needing validation through measurements are just as bad as anything else in the grand scheme. It's not as if you do yourself a favor by going with something that appeals to that immature sensibility, but you actually don't like to listen to as much.

But I still think cable manufacturers should publish basic RLC figures. Not for determine how good the cable sound. But a way to determine whether the cable is suitable for certain loudspeakers. Some loudspeakers do not like high capacitance or inductance.

MB is not alone in not publishing any data. Most high end cable manufacturers never publish any electrical properties of their cables.

 

[RogerD]

But I still think cable manufacturers should publish basic RLC figures. Not for determine how good the cable sound. But a way to determine whether the cable is suitable for certain loudspeakers. Some loudspeakers do not like high capacitance or inductance.

MB is not alone in not publishing any data. Most high end cable manufacturers never publish any electrical properties of their cables.

Termination and the design of the shield are the most important and I'm sure pretty much all high end manufacturers can make measurements of the relevant data. I would also say that I'm sure there is technology in the aerospace industry that would be beneficial in building a audio cable....

 

[Steve Williams]

I would also say that I'm sure there is technology in the aerospace industry that would be beneficial in building a audio cable....

they've made me a believer