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The most vinyl like dac would be a NOS design with ,probably valve output stage, that would mimic some of the qualities of vinyl.
Keith

Or something completely transparent like the NADAC, connected with HQplayer. But I agree, back in the old days, that solution may have been the case. Like Andrew said:

"The dsp in HQ Player is hugely configurable, and you can literally tune the sound you want to your system. Much like rolling tubes in Mike's Golden Gate."
 
Or something completely transparent like the NADAC, connected with HQplayer. But I agree, back in the old days, that solution may have been the case. Like Andrew said:

"The dsp in HQ Player is hugely configurable, and you can literally tune the sound you want to your system. Much like rolling tubes in Mike's Golden Gate."
way off topic so my last post, but it is precisely the transparency that some vinyl listeners object to, they prefer the analogue additions.
Keith.
 
way off topic so my last post, but it is precisely the transparency that some vinyl listeners object to, they prefer the analogue additions.
Keith.

Yes and this is where the plethora of different filter options in HQplayer come into play. And it's why pretty much everyone who has tried HQplayer rave about it sounding so vinyl like.

But anyways your right, it's off topic.
 
However I do think the $4000 Merging Hapi or $11500 Merging NADAC combined with HQplayer and optical isolation has the potential to match or beat his analog rig.

Good luck.
 
One day this Merging Nadac v nr SOTA vinyl v 15ips R2R shootout will happen, but it isn't on the horizon anytime soon.
What is great about all the claims that SOTA digital is going to beat SOTA vinyl any moment/has beaten it, is that the parameters are changing all the time, and even though a mature technology like analog vinyl seems on the surface not to have really gone anywhere in decades, and digital has made exponential bounds since cd's inception in the early 80s, and hence on the surface you'd expect digital to have eclipsed analog, it hasn't happened IMHO, and I'm confident the quality gap will remain.
My thought is that in the 70s and 80s, vinyl had reached an excellent standard, w/the LP12 and Technics SP10 bearers of the standard. And of course that first Phillips cdp came along in '83, we all know what our reaction to that baby was.
Things ticked along ok in the digital world in the rest of the 80s and early 90s, all that "revolutionary" bitstream, but the picket fences were up, and you stuck to one camp or the other.
There's no doubt in the intervening three decades digital really did become more palatable to analog diehards like me, esp w/the introduction of SACD in 2000, and in my case my Emm Labs CDSA SE from the mid 00's was in many ways doing better than my Michell/SME/Transfiguration analog rig.
But analog has snuck a march on digital again, w/massive impvts in materials application/suspension/vibration control/speed stability/arm geometry/optimal arm-vibration management/cart tracking/phono electronics, so that in my way of thinking, there was a whole stack of analog superiority bottled up in 70's technology, just waiting to be liberated.
Having heard DCS, PD dac's, and GG playing dsd, much as I really like current digital (and could listen to cd's all day on my Eera Tentation cdp), the impvts in analog replay via modern tech/materials opening the window further, are in excess of what digital has managed w/original 16'44>bitstream>sacd>dsd.
I am truly happy to have got an amazing combination of the most precise, digital-friendly sounding analog rig, and the most analog-like digital rig. I love both, but even w/this convergence of sonics, they both sound VERY different from each other, my tt still appearing to have an endless upper limit to what it can achieve w/each upgrade, the digital more small steps in sound impvts.
And am I the only one to feel that dsd is not necessarily the destination we should all be aiming for? I still contend that good 'ol fashioned 16/44 rbcd has an urgency and drive that dsd never matches. It's almost as if the push to dsd because of it's emulation of analog warmth (which it surpasses 16/44 on), has allowed what was great about the lower standard to be slightly lost. Analog doesn't just beat 16/44 on natural warmth (which dsd partially addresses), it also does on dynamics and speed (which dsd doesn't).

**************IMHO************
 
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Omg, I thought I was again reading the analog warmth thread. Blizzard reopened the closed thread by posting here?
 
Just came back from watching the Eugene Onegin opera at royal opera house. No hardness, they were probably distorting what the engineer was recording to give us awesome valve like warmth. I went there after my kronos demo. Pure analog.

Though this won't compare to the sota digital that I haven't heard that doesn't exist (kind of like the catch 22 sequel, where Milo Minderbinder sells the Pentagon stealth bombers that you can't hear and you cannot see)
 
Omg, I thought I was again reading the analog warmth thread. Blizzard reopened the closed thread by posting here?

So it seems Kedar. Is the Blizz trying to beat out another poster known for absolutist / digital superiority statements?

Why do these folks want to hijack analogue threads to espouse / spread their "I know whats best" digital dogma?

Simple answer wisely posted by another individual on a recent thread of a similar ilk.

Insecurity.
 
Just came back from watching the Eugene Onegin opera at royal opera house. No hardness, they were probably distorting what the engineer was recording to give us awesome valve like warmth. I went there after my kronos demo. Pure analog.

Though this won't compare to the sota digital that I haven't heard that doesn't exist (kind of like the catch 22 sequel, where Milo Minderbinder sells the Pentagon stealth bombers that you can't hear and you cannot see)

Heh heh, good one, bonzo.
 
I am hoping to hear dcs vivaldi 4 box vs techdas af1 with graham elite at the same system soon. That will be a phenomenal experience.

Agreed! I love the dcs stack. You'll hear two state of art sources in the same system - nice! Look forward to your impressions!
 
So it seems Kedar. Is the Blizz trying to beat out another poster known for absolutist / digital superiority statements?

Why do these folks want to hijack analogue threads to espouse / spread their "I know whats best" digital dogma?

Simple answer wisely posted by another individual on a recent thread of a similar ilk.

Insecurity.

I think the emotional response is the sure sign of insecurity. I was just simply sharing my thoughts on the matter. Time will prove which protocols withstand the test of time. However I do think, just like a fine automatic Swiss watch, turntables will always have a coolness factor that DAC's will never be able to beat. It will all boil down to why you choose vinyl in the end, for sound, or because it's a cool collectors item.
 
way off topic so my last post, but it is precisely the transparency that some vinyl listeners object to, they prefer the analogue additions.
Keith.

Keith, there is NO lack of transparency in good analog playback. Your proposition is a widely held urban myth. A good synergy in the analog chain just opens the window. Digital? Just opening the blinds. Live unamplified? Soaring so high, you can't even see from the window.
 
I think the emotional response is the sure sign of insecurity. I was just simply sharing my thoughts on the matter. Time will prove which protocols withstand the test of time. However I do think, just like a fine automatic Swiss watch, turntables will always have a coolness factor that DAC's will never be able to beat. It will all boil down to why you choose vinyl in the end, for sound, or because it's a cool collectors item.

Again the coolness? You just had this argument in the other thread that was closed today.
 
Again the coolness? You just had this argument in the other thread that was closed today.

Yes it's definitely a cool looking machine. Much more impressive to look at than any DAC I've ever seen. Great conversation starter as well.
 
I think the emotional response is the sure sign of insecurity. I was just simply sharing my thoughts on the matter. Time will prove which protocols withstand the test of time. However I do think, just like a fine automatic Swiss watch, turntables will always have a coolness factor that DAC's will never be able to beat. It will all boil down to why you choose vinyl in the end, for sound, or because it's a cool collectors item.

The test of time is the test of time. Vinyl lp, 33 and 45 has been around since, '48 I believe. That's nigh on 70 years. It's still improving in so much as the window keeps opening and opening. Cd, intro '83. Only just vying w/analog since the advent of SACD, and still hamstrung despite being a lot prettier to listen to w/dsd than the dog days of Bitstream in the 90s. Let's see how digital is after 70 years when they put me in my box.
I suspect my last post on this forum will be "digital still isn't QUITE there..."
 
The test of time is the test of time. Vinyl lp, 33 and 45 has been around since, '48 I believe. That's nigh on 70 years. It's still improving in so much as the window keeps opening and opening. Cd, intro '83. Only just vying w/analog since the advent of SACD, and still hamstrung despite being a lot prettier to listen to w/dsd than the dog days of Bitstream in the 90s. Let's see how digital is after 70 years when they put me in my box.
I suspect my last post on this forum will be "digital still isn't QUITE there..."

By 2020, probably 75% of the vinyl only guys on this forum, will be digital converts. And the other 25% won't be because of denial :)
 
Keith, there is NO lack of transparency in good analog playback. Your proposition is a widely held urban myth. A good synergy in the analog chain just opens the window. Digital? Just opening the blinds. Live unamplified? Soaring so high, you can't even see from the window.
Ignorance can be bliss I suppose.
Keith
 
Keith, we all hear very differently. I like yr Liszts w/the Molas. I'm in love w/them w/the Bakoons. You feel the sound is limited w/analog, I feel there is no glass ceiling. Great that there is so much choice in everything, we can all be happy campers. No way would vinyl survive three decades after digital threatened to extinguish it if things like transparency were sacrificed.
 
So let me see if I got this right... We're in the turntable forum, in a topic about a particular turntable... And we have people who hate vinyl, talking about DACs and assorted digital stuff... Something's wrong with this picture...

 
So let me see if I got this right... We're in the turntable forum, in a topic about a particular turntable... And we have people who hate vinyl, talking about DACs and assorted digital stuff... Something's wrong with this picture...

Alex, what's even more crazy, is that these same people who are lauding digital over analog; haven't even heard a well set up, top flite vinyl set up. :eek:
 

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