Exactly what? You did not even address the point I made. The fact they purchased something is neither here, nor there. It is not proof of anything. By your argument, I could sell a plug-in that did absolutely nothing, but if I charged $50 and some people paid it, it would mean it is doing something!
JPLAY Responds: An Open Letter
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I am glad you are aware of my credentials. You are pretty good at assuming things.
No, you haven't. You have given me confused and disjointed ramblings. Could you please state your case, in concise and unambiguous terms, and I will be more than happy to address them.
Steve Williams
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I don't think that I have ever read any thread here at WBF which involves Jkeny that doesn't deteriorate into name calling.
Me neither. I haven't called him any names yet, but I have a few on the tip of my tongue.
Tim
Yep, me too bored beyond stupification, at this stage - round & round the the objections go yet how many of the objectors have actually listened to Jplay - none it seems. What a farce.
It's highly amusing to see the last number of posts about name calling - all of which insinuate name-calling against me
Steve, your view of me has been expressed before & you are prone to talk about my posting MO yet when I call you on others posts designed to incite, you demur. Why?
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Steve,
Easy to explain - he posts mainly in the computer audio threads. Try posting there something that does not follow the mainstream of these very orthodox threads. This does not mean I agree with or support his sometimes truculent style.
1. People say that they don't trust their own ears in sighted tests, because of the well known problems with confirmation bias - meaning that it would be pointless for them to listen to product X in a sighted test. Instead, they want to know if there is any theoretical reason why product X should work. They may utter the forbidden words and ask for measurements that show it working.
2. In response they are told that their views are silly because they haven't even listened to product X.
3. Goto 1.
2. In response they are told that their views are silly because they haven't even listened to product X.
3. Goto 1.
In my defense, your honour & all the presiding judges that sit on the bench:
Truculent - guilty; passionate - guilty; interested in pushing the envelope - guilty; stupid & persistent - guilty; Not pretending I'm an a expert - guilty; trying to work out what is important - guilty. realising that the complexity of computer audio has not yet been fully teased out - guilty
Settling for the status quo - not guilty; Ignoring my sense of hearing - not guilty; trusting in theories & not realising that the real world practical element has more importance - not guilty. Ignoring common sense - not guilty; ignoring my hearing - not guilty (did I say this already?)
I could go on but have to rest my case!
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Yep, round & round it goes - where it stops nobody knows - it's just a fairground attraction to some.
You either purposely miss the point or are not taking in what I said? Please read again!!
Correct me if I am wrong in my assumptions then.
When have you ever answered a direct question? Here's a bit of psychological insight for you - you deflect as a tactic to avoid answering questions directed at you. Now say why my view of my customers motivation for being reticent about Jplay is wrong? Every unbiased reader will know exactly the thought process involved when they have spent money on a product & then are given a suggestion that buying some playback software for an extra €100 will benefit the sound. Yes they will try it if it is free to trial but are already predisposed to NOT spending the extra money UNLESS the playback software actually delivers the goods.
You missed a step or 2:
1. Use a triple outlet box.
2. Get someone else to wire the purifiers into one of the outlets. The other 2 are wired direct. (You don't know which outlets are direct and which has the purifiers.)
3. Run your test. See if you can identify which outlet is different from the other two.
Don, the difference is so obvious, these details do not matter. It is not at all a matter of interpretation. Only a blind person would not see the difference.
Sort of. For the last couple of months, I have been working intensively on my boat, trying to get it ship shape as they say. It is almost there. Our summer/fishing season is short here so I have been putting all my free time there. The boat is at our vacation house so while I am there working on it, I have no test instruments or even audio system to do critical listening tests on. But I can login to the forum and discuss the theory. Come the lousy rainy weather, I will do more testing even if I don't believe in something. I just don't have the time right now to waste on something for the sake of the forum (I will not switch media players no matter what).
Careful, Barrows, you have expectation bias, sure aren't you a friend of Mr. Bybee - how could you be anything but biased. No, you need to stop making these outrageous claims & show us measurements or at least post a picture of the screen with/without Bybee. Then we can argue all day.
Hahaha! I am not friends with Jack Bybee, I have just had the pleasure of meeting him a couple of times and discussing power conditioning back when I worked for PS Audio. In any case, I have no interest in promoting his devices, you brought them up. My point in following up with them as an example, is that (unlike jplay) it is easily conceivable, and by using science, that they could be reducing certain noise frequencies. Even though these devices may be considered controversial by many, there are known scientific principles which could explain how they work. This is in direct contrast to jplay, which has no known science behind how it "works", or not.
Ah, you see this is the problem with "expectation bias" - even meeting him has skewed your perceptions towards favouring his devices, not to mention that he is also a well respected scientific guy. I'm afraid you are tainted & can't be helped. At least this is the view of many & there is no escape from it - seemingly you are not a free agent who can decide whether an audio device is of value.
Ah yes, back to Jplay!
Well it all depends upon the impression upon meeting him; it could skew perceptions against favoring his devices. But nothing is lost and it can be helped. All you have to do is listen without sighted knowledge to know what you hear without prejudice. It really is pretty simple. Unless you want to complicate it to cover the fact that the results don't support your opinion.
Tim
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