Apple iPhone 5 vs Samsung G/S4

[Keith_W]

And besides, this idiot here also knows how to copy and paste, since it's simple and intuitive enough that even an idiot knows how to do it.

Congratulations. Perhaps you could amuse me and tell me how many years it took Apple to bring copy and paste to iOS, when this feature has been available in even the most primitive Windows and Palm phones since the mid 1990's?

This is one thing iOS fans keep forgetting - how primitive iOS really is. No 4G/LTE till iPhone 5, for example. Still no NFC. Still no wireless charging. Still no expandable memory. iOS is stuck in a rut and has been playing catch-up for the last six years. Even Apple recognize they are in trouble and have fired Scott Forstall and are trying to get Ives to update their tired old operating system. It might take a while for their fans to catch up.

 

[ack]

Thankfully, though, we are also slowly mastering your fine art of compartmentalizing people - I'll let you guess where you fit in mine.

 

[rockitman]

I like iphones and I like PC's.... better than MAC's...go figure...

 

[asiufy]

Congratulations. Perhaps you could amuse me and tell me how many years it took Apple to bring copy and paste to iOS, when this feature has been available in even the most primitive Windows and Palm phones since the mid 1990's?

This is one thing iOS fans keep forgetting - how primitive iOS really is. No 4G/LTE till iPhone 5, for example. Still no NFC. Still no wireless charging. Still no expandable memory. iOS is stuck in a rut and has been playing catch-up for the last six years. Even Apple recognize they are in trouble and have fired Scott Forstall and are trying to get Ives to update their tired old operating system. It might take a while for their fans to catch up.

I don't know, it doesn't look or feel primitive to me...
There is no 4G/LTE where I live, so strike one for irrelevancy.
NFC? I tried that on my Nexus, at the Barcelona fair. When it did work, it was a nice gimmick. Everybody that I talked to enabled NFC just to play around, then turned it off immediately, as it drained the phone's battery in MINUTES.
Again, I don't need "expandable memory". Phones are meant to be replaced every number of years, and I bump mine's capacity when I purchase a new one. Coincidently, I do the same thing with my Macs.
See, just because Samsung fanboys think they're ahead, doesn't make Apple behind. While Samsung fans are gloating, Apple has been selling iPhones and iPads like there's no tomorrow, to a mostly happy customer base.


alexandre

 

[Keith_W]

I don't know, it doesn't look or feel primitive to me...

That might be because you don't know any better.

There is no 4G/LTE where I live, so strike one for irrelevancy.

Just because YOU happen to live in a backwater that does not have LTE, it somehow justifies Apple's inability to deliver LTE for years until the iPhone 5 came out?

Apple has been selling iPhones and iPads like there's no tomorrow, to a mostly happy customer base.

Oh boy. You really have been drinking the kool-aid. Apple leads Android in only one market. Everywhere else it is losing badly. Take the world's largest mobile phone market, for example:

 

[asiufy]

I do know better. Of course, you don't know, but I work with mobile professionally, so I have to know better. I have or had a truckload of phones, Android, Blackberry, Windows Phone, from all the major manufacturers. And Samsung is just about the flimsiest, nastiest pieces of sh*t I've seen. Motorola had some pretty solidly built hardware, but the innards were crap, and of course, their Android versions were always a major revision behind... After Apple, Nokia does the best hardware I've seen, but their screens are lacking behind. The new HTC units aren't bad either.
Suddently, YOU'RE the one that doesn't know better, and keep inflicting your world view upon the others...
In fact I do live in a backwater. That doesn't change the fact that lack of LTE/4G prior to the iPhone 5 probably cost Apple very few sales. And anyway, what does it matter now?

Sorry, I can't read chinese, so I don't know what that graph means. And again, I honestly don't care whether Apple leads here or there in sales. I've used Macs ever since Apple had 0.00001% market share, and didn't care back then either. I use what helps me get my job done, without getting in the way, and more often than not, it's Apple products.


alexandre

 

[audioguy]

Apple looks more and more like an evil-doing company. The latest tax problems are not going to help change this perception. I for one am annoyed by their arrogance ...I am typing this on an iPad ...

Therefore either (a) you are evil and/or (b) according to Keith, you are an idiot. Go to your room and take a time-out

(as I type this on my iMac )

 

[Keith_W]

LOL, you work with mobiles professionally and you think LTE does not matter And furthermore you think it cost Apple very few sales!! Have you seen what Apple's market share is recently? Or what their share price is? Three quarters of Apple's income comes from iOS devices, and they have now stagnated and been thoroughly beaten by Android for a few years now. I can not comprehend how anybody can stand up in 2013 and make a case for Apple. Unless the phone is meant for someone with late stage Alzheimer's that is. Anybody of average intelligence should be able to figure out Android. It's not that hard.

Here is something else - Apple would not survive for too long if Google decided to withdraw all its services (search, Youtube, maps, Google Drive, Gmail, etc.) from Apple. In each case, the Google offering comprehensively trounces Apple. Siri search is a joke, compared to Google maps which is the gold standard. Let's not even mention Apple maps, because you have to be seriously deluded to argue that this one is better than the Google offering. Apple's iCloud (and MobileMe before it) just doesn't work, even Steve Jobs said so - OTOH Google Drive works flawlessly. If you care about getting things done, and not getting locked in to a greedy, evil, and vicarious company which releases inferior and overpriced hardware, with software from the last decade, you would not choose Apple.

 

[rockitman]

So I guess you don't like apple Keith ? Lighten up

 

[audioguy]

I use what helps me get my job done, without getting in the way, and more often than not, it's Apple products.
alexandre

+1

 

[audioguy]

Apple's iCloud (and MobileMe before it) just doesn't work,

Works perfect and flawlessly for me. Maybe it's just too complicated for you.

 

[RBFC]

Guys, please cease all the name-calling & veiled insults. It's beneath WBF.

Lee

 

[Steve Williams]

So I guess you don't like apple Keith ? Lighten up

and that's coming from a PC user.

Guys. It's only a phone. Let's not make it personal with ad hominem attacks

 

[Keith_W]

Works perfect and flawlessly for me. Maybe it's just too complicated for you.

Works perfect for you? That's great! Unfortunately, even Steve Jobs thought that MobileMe was rubbish: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/05/09/jobs_swear/

After reports of crashing servers, laggardly logons, and general crappiness, Jobs tongue-lashed the MobileMe team, asking them "Can anyone tell me what MobileMe is supposed to do?" When one foolhardy exec explained the aim of the service, Jobs shot back: "So why the **** doesn't it do that."

Even Apple engineers thought it was rubbish, and they blamed Steve Jobs for the screwup.

Perhaps you are one of the few who has not experienced major outages on iCloud, to the extent that even the Apple fanboi site The Verge recently published an article lambasting iCloud. Everybody, even Apple, has acknowledged problems with their cloud services. YOU seem to be the notable exception.

If you want cloud services that work - try Google Drive. Or Dropbox. Or even Microsoft's Skydrive.

In any case, I observe a consistent pattern among the Apple fanboys here. Even notable Apple fails such as iCloud and Apple Maps are to be defended at all cost, because Apple Can Do No Wrong. Even as Apple loses market share, wiping billions of dollars of value, the Apple fanboys here continue to claim that iDevices are selling "like there is no tomorrow". Gentlemen, this is called denying reality. This belief in the God-like powers of Apple, the fervour of which its reputation must be defended, even to the extent that the poster is willing to sacrifice his reputation and dignity is more akin to a religion than a phone company.

 

[asiufy]

As we've established, "better" is subjective. It's whatever works for you. In my case, I live by this rule.
I don't recall ever saying "Apple can no wrong", or anybody else in this forum actually. You're the one professing superior knowledge of all things smartphone. You're the one that believes "Apple Can No Do Good"
Google Maps on iOS works better than Apple Maps, so that's what I use. Dropbox works better for me (and my team), and that's what we use.


And Keith, I live in f*cking Brazil. Our 3G barely works. LTE/4G is plain irrelevant.

 

[audioguy]

Works perfect for you? That's great! Unfortunately, even Steve Jobs thought that MobileMe was rubbish:

That doesn't change that it works perfectly for me. And you call me making that statement "defending at all costs".

I find it curious that you have your panties in such a wad over Apple. Like they are the monsters of corporate America (if you believe that, you need to read more); The Devil Incarnate? Did you lose a fortune on Apple stock? Were you an employee and got fired?

We don't have any Apple fan-boys defending Apple at all costs. What we do have is one Apple Hater making derogatory comments about those who don't agree with his twisted view of the world.

Get over it.

 

[flez007]

there is indeed a way to change the browser and it's free. Google Chrome is a free app as is Google maps in the app store. I have been using both ever since they have become available

+1 here

 

[amirm]

Let's reverse the tables. What do you guys find hard about Android? Don't 99% of the people just download apps, click on them to run and from there on the experience is the same, wherever that App runs? Surely that is true or we would not have such mass adoption of Android in all technology skill levels.

I had this same discussion with Steve Ballmer (CEO of Microsoft) once. He was putting a lot of weight behind the next OS coming out. I explained that most business users live inside Office products like Mail, and things like Browsers. What happens outside of that from feature point of view has diminished greatly over the years. Of course, you can screw that up with changing the way programs are started such as done with Windows 8. In this context though, finding and running apps is almost the same in the two platforms.

Net, net, I don't get why folks think iPhone is easier for anyone to use. For common scenarios, there is no difference. What Android then provides is many different hardware platforms. We have five Android phones in our household. Each family member had a different priority and picked a different phone. My wife for example insisted on having a physical keyboard and that is what she has. My middle son who is into game and such wanted the fastest and best specs and that is what he got. I wanted an attractive, thin and well built phone and that is what I got.

Not saying iPhone is bad. But that technology has matured and Android is very easy to use and reliable these days and distinctions between the platforms has shrunk to a point where I think for new purchasers, it is a non-issue.

I am happy to be educated though . What scenario in everyday use is hard in Android relative to iPhone?

 

[mep]

An iPhone is a crippled gadget with the advanced features hidden because Apple assumes their users are idiots. Which they are. It's like comparing a pocket calculator to a spreadsheet and complaining that the spreadsheet is too complicated.

Did you just call everyone who owns an Apple iPhone an idiot?

 

[Johnny Vinyl]

I switched from an old Apple iPhone 3G to a Samsung Galaxy Note for 2 reasons.

Reason #1: Dropped calls. No other phone I've ever owned on the same network has given me this issue. Close to 25% of all calls made/received turned into dropped calls. Brutal.

Reason #2: I wanted a LARGER SCREEN. The Note did that for me, along with it having a Stylus. The Note has made me at least 50% more productive because of its screen size and stylus.

That doesn't mean I'm entirely happy with the Android OS, because I'm not. I've had the phone for almost a year now and I still don't have the Jelly bean upgrade. That's unacceptable.