US Anti-Doping Agency charges Armstrong
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If you make doping permissible, that obviates all the drug testing, all the crap going on now, the stupid and wasteful congressional hearings, wasting my tax money because the government gets involved with private sports and gaming, etc.
Yes, there are bodily downsides to doping, but if you want to win, it is completely acceptable because it makes you a physically stronger competitor.
The competition should have rules PLAYING the game, NOT TRAINING for it. Giving up a few years of your life is a small price to pay for getting into the record books [at least until the next guy has the record]. IT'S REALLY OK. Everything has its price. It really is that simple.
And what if you don't want to do drugs? This sounds like giving everyone guns will stop shootings.
No instead we should be supporting projects that go around to HS's to discourage kids from using zpEDs.
No instead we should be supporting projects that go around to HS's to discourage kids from using zpEDs.
No offense Myles but the drug war is a monumental failure. That's why we gave up on alcohol decades ago.
Well you're talking about the drug war and I'm talking about a different drug war. And I'm encouraged by the HS kids responses to the message (both on my WL team and elsewhere).
Tax dollars are never wasted Gary, it's transferred from your pocket to theirs , it's the way ........
Tax dollars are never wasted Gary, it's transferred from your pocket to theirs , it's the way ........
What you describe is that my tax dollars aren't LOST. They are still wasted.
That;s a good question. Maybe not.
i just worry about a kid fighting for his college scholarship. Bodybuilding and Weightlifting do not have a good track record when it comes to steroids.
Not so much for the former but pretty good for the latter. Much depends upon the governing organization and the US, Canada and GBR have the most stringent testing protocols to date. For instance, in the US, you have to provide USAW every three months with a new itinerary spelling out where you'll be; drug testers can then show up where ever you are and ask you to pee in a cup. I suggest you look at the highly successful LSU program run by Gayle Hatch, one of the leading US WL coaches (as well as S&C coaches).
I don't really want to engage in a dialogue on this subject. It is complex.
Frorm a risk/reward standpoint the whole drug thing makes no sense. As Greg said at a judicial seminar "A rational solution to an irrational problem.' Despite the death and destruction and ruined lives "everyone still believes it (drug alcohol abuse of any nature) will turn out different for them. They seem genuinely surprised when it does not. Dealing with the casual user is one thing. It's the hard core abuser where it gets tough.
Frorm a risk/reward standpoint the whole drug thing makes no sense. As Greg said at a judicial seminar "A rational solution to an irrational problem.' Despite the death and destruction and ruined lives "everyone still believes it (drug alcohol abuse of any nature) will turn out different for them. They seem genuinely surprised when it does not. Dealing with the casual user is one thing. It's the hard core abuser where it gets tough.
The are many things in life that violate the cost/benefit relationship. Take Pap smears for instance. The number of cases detected greatly outweighs the capital outlay involved. So should we stop doing Pap smears then too?
I don't think we are on the same page. The risk /reward I am referring to is the risk of being caught or suffering adverse effects from drug/alcohol abuse vs whatever reward one derives from the use thereof.
Certainly I have advocated and participated in drug/alcohol treatment and prevention programs. I am not that big a fan of drug testing. A certain paranoia has evolved. Not to mention the willingness to regard a positive test as gospel.
My one and only question for Lance Armstrong. When did the doubt set in ? When did you decide you were not good enough to win the TdF? Did it come from within? Or did it get planted there by some one else?
i know it's more than one question.
i know it's more than one question.
-=-= Only Lance Armstrong can answer that for you.
I think that it's complex, and Lance doesn't really wanna talk 'bout it.
* Check part one of the interview later on today.
Greg I think it began earlier if you read Tyler Hamilton's book. Usually in the third year of team cycling-when they're being left in the dust by other riders despite being in tip top shape. And the team doctors suggesting that their hematocrit levels were too low was the subtle hint that they need to take EPO. Plus they weren't idiots and saw all that was going on around like like the white paper bags that were handed out to fellow team members. The "vitamins."
Do we think PED's are this prominent in most other sports: Pro Football, Pro Baseball (well we know about a few well known names); Basketball; Tennis; Golf; Boxing;
This is not about cleaning up drugs in sports , this is political and personal ,smoke and mirrors with a lot of negative feedback.....
Great athletes have huge egos They believe they are invincible. Let's take Tonya Harding and Nancy Kerigan. Many thought She had a legitimate chance to beat Kerigan. Even if she did not, they could have made a lot of money battlling each other in exhibitions. Either Tonya or her handlers decided she just was not good enough.
I looked at Tyler Hamiltons You Tube video. He's a liar. There maybe some truth to his story, but it is exaggerated to sell his book.
IMO Michele Kwan was robbed of her Olympic gold medal. She never gave up. OTOH Nixon never recovered from his defeat by Kennedy. We all know how that turned out.
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