Dire Straits - Love Over Gold -------- Masterpiece?
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Very early stereo (1957). Most jazz albums were like that until Art Pepper Plus 11 where they finally discovered that middle, phantom channel. Early Blue Notes, Riversides, Prestige are also much like that. You can listen around that though. Manne and Brown sound wonderful too. Do you have the 45 rpm reissue?
Nope, only because I had so many bad experiences with the Classic pressings, I stopped buying them a while ago (assume it's on Classic, right?). I have a bunch of copies, including the Analog Productions one that was done quite a few years ago (wasn't that one of Chad's first?). I have Sax Coll. in an old mono copy and a reissue, but haven't listened to those in a while.
Not exactly sure if this answers your question Bob, but my complaint about 'Way out West' (the unnatural assignment of the instruments hard left or hard right, rather than a natural sound stage) is, says Myles, quite common to early stereo jazz records. And that's probably right. I like the record musically, I just don't regard it as the best recording, given that. (And Myles is right that all the instruments sound good on that record, it's just how they are placed in space that makes it less than transportive as an experience for me).
I have piles and piles of jazz records that I have not listened to, part of the thirty year acquisition quest. Some are early stereo, some are later things on Pablo, etc. Now that I have time, I'm gonna listen to every one!
No was referring to the AP 45 rpm version of WOW. Chad had also previously released it at 33 rpm but it's not in the league of the 45 rpm.
Don't have it as far as I can remember, but i'll look. I'm a very organized person in most of my life, but the records are not in any order, and I find stuff I don't know I bought. We were talking on another thread about the Getz/Gilberto record and I pulled out a copy (a japanese pressing) and listened to it, it was enjoyable. Later that day, looking for something else, i found a sealed MoFi of Getz/Gilberto. I have no idea what that sounds like, I just left it sealed. So, I've got some serious organizing to do. And in the process, some listening. (I'm kind of put-off by the idea of having to listen through multiple copies of some of the records i know i have to find the best sounding one, e.g. Harry at Carnegie- i think i bought one everytime i went into a used record store- but what choice do I have?)
I'm not even sure Classic had released it, so if I don't have the AP 45, I'll have to get it and listen. See other post- it is even possible that I do have it!
-----No Bill, I was referring to "TO" from all the above quotes.
{See above quotes for Myles' answer, and than yours.}
P.S. I read and reread this entire thread, and I can see that you are sometimes not following exactly what few of us are talkin' 'bout.
Just a simple observation Bill. :b ...Perhaps a simple lapse of 'disorganization', disorientation?
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Well, given that "subtle" and "dynamic swings" are completely subjective, I don't think we'll get anywhere without some definitions.
In this case, I mean KOB doesn't have much in the way of sudden jumps, or even a great range of volume contrasts. It is a jazz quartet, playing what is, overall, pretty laid-back music. There are not many dramatic drum accents to speak of. There are, of course, some moments where the horns cut through, but the more dynamic horn of the three, the trumpet, is very often played with a mute on KOB. Let's put it this way -- if I were looking for a recording to demonstrate the dynamic range (or FR range, for that matter) of my system, KOB is not a recording I'd reach for.
With that said, I'm just trying to understand what I'm missing, because, according to Myles, in spite of the fact that I've been listening to it for 50 years, I haven't really heard it at all. Are there some kettle drum accents in there that I've always missed? An orchestral crescendo? Perhaps Jimmy Cobb plays a drum solo in there with some enthusiastic pounding of the tom-toms and a few R&B-style rim shots, but I've missed it all these years because my system is not resolving enough?
Tim
Tim, I am shocked, absolutely shocked, that you, of all people, would consider something like 'dynamics' to be entirely subjective, given that this can be objectively measured. Hell, my rat-shack db meter would do that much, wouldn't it?
Then there's the other thing we were talking about when Myles decided that I hadn't heard KOB -- sound stage. I don't know what Myles is hearing, but KOB is an intimate studio recording. Instruments were isolated, and close-mic'd, and the space in that recording comes from studio reverb. Given the vintage of the recording, probably plate reverb. This is the reality, but I don't doubt for a moment that some audiophiles hear the "room," the "natural ambience of the original event."
Tim
Tim
Tim, I am shocked, absolutely shocked, that you, of all people, would consider something like 'dynamics' to be entirely subjective, given that this can be objectively measured. Hell, my rat-shack db meter would do that much, wouldn't it?
Oh, don't get me wrong, dynamic range as measured in DB, is pretty black and white. It's words like subtle and dynamic swings that are subjective, and as such, can and will be defined in terms that support whatever argument is being made, particularly if it has to do with the attributes of the thing of choice, when it falls short, by the objective criteria, of the thing being marginalized.
Tim
Myles, you weren't kidding about the KOB OOP being a little pricey. I found one on E-Bay for $249.00 w/blue vinyl 180 gram that is still sealed.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Miles-Davis...=928219316779141837&pid=100011&prg=1005&rk=3&
Is this the one you were talking about?
Tom
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Miles-Davis...=928219316779141837&pid=100011&prg=1005&rk=3&
Is this the one you were talking about?
Tom
I listened to KOB last night on tape, and I can assure you that there is nothing “subtle” about the dynamic swings on this tape. Here are some notes I jotted down last night while I was listening:
Brushes on the snare drum sound really nice meaning they sound realistic. The trumpet overloads the microphone in some places on the first cut. Big dynamic contrasts by the way and the recording sounds very powerful. The difference in the sound of the cymbals when the drummer switches from brushes to sticks is dramatic and the sound of the cymbals when struck by the drumstick is very real sounding and the sound they captured of the cymbals is simply outstanding. The sound of the cymbals being struck is almost startling and there is lots of air coming off the cymbals.
KOB is a very intimate sounding studio recording that captures the beauty of each instrument. The piano sounds very real as do all of the brass instruments and the bass. With the exception of the overloading issues in a few spots that reminds you that you are listening to a recording, KOB is really an outstanding recording both musically and sound wise and sounds very alive with great dynamic range.
I don’t have a digital copy of KOB so I really can’t comment on how it sounds after being converted to digital. Somewhere in my CD collection I have an SACD sampler disc that came with my Sony SACD player many years ago that has a cut from KOB on it, but I can’t pull the trigger on dragging out one of my SACD players to listen to it. I remember the whole sampler disc as being pretty horrid sounding.
Brushes on the snare drum sound really nice meaning they sound realistic. The trumpet overloads the microphone in some places on the first cut. Big dynamic contrasts by the way and the recording sounds very powerful. The difference in the sound of the cymbals when the drummer switches from brushes to sticks is dramatic and the sound of the cymbals when struck by the drumstick is very real sounding and the sound they captured of the cymbals is simply outstanding. The sound of the cymbals being struck is almost startling and there is lots of air coming off the cymbals.
KOB is a very intimate sounding studio recording that captures the beauty of each instrument. The piano sounds very real as do all of the brass instruments and the bass. With the exception of the overloading issues in a few spots that reminds you that you are listening to a recording, KOB is really an outstanding recording both musically and sound wise and sounds very alive with great dynamic range.
I don’t have a digital copy of KOB so I really can’t comment on how it sounds after being converted to digital. Somewhere in my CD collection I have an SACD sampler disc that came with my Sony SACD player many years ago that has a cut from KOB on it, but I can’t pull the trigger on dragging out one of my SACD players to listen to it. I remember the whole sampler disc as being pretty horrid sounding.
tom, that looks like a Classic Record copy. i think an old Columbia in mint condition would be even pricier.
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