THE HIFI FIVE ROUNDTABLE DISCUSSION STREAMING LIVE ON YOUTUBE PREMIERING IN OCTOBER!

[Elliot G.]

In my opinion, it is your statement that is emotional and political, and talking about 430 million Americans or the Swiss nation is already a stretch for the group of enthusiasts that we form.

Sir you are entitled to your opinion and my point is you do not speak for your continent or your whole country.

 

[Król_Artur]

Sir you are entitled to your opinion and my point is you do not speak for your continent or your whole country.

Dear Sir, we are in complete agreement here; no one ever speaks on behalf of the entire nation. I have only presented my own observations.

 

[morricab]

without going to far down the rabbit hole our Industry and hobby has fallen in to the emotional response trap just like politics and almost everything else these days.
One persons feelings is not reality for all. One persons conspiracy theory is just that. The country of Switzerland didn't have a meeting to define Swiss sound!. Everyone of 430 million people in the USA didn't vote for big bass. Do different companies and designers make stuff that sounds different? Yes of course. Do they do this my nationality? LOL that's a load of crap'. I am sorry but every product made in Germany does not have a similar sound to every other European product. That is just insulting and not true at all. Just go to Munich or Vienna and listen, NOT Hear!
We stopped asking the real questions when the hobbyists overran the conversation. When everyone's emotional opinion became the truth. When experience, facts and research became un important because your feelings mattered more.
When people platform some guy with big opinions( Jay's video) and wants to blame everyone but himself for his mistakes and that every one else is a liar this is what we get.
As far as the show its fun to have different opinions and have a discussion. Dennis and I have nothing in common as far as audio. I did find parts of his article interesting but we never discussed them as we got sidetracked by hearing tests and flat earth theory

No but the Swiss did seem to converge on a general Swiss design aesthetic...except darTZeel, who must not have gotten the memo!.

What I have found is that people I know with demonstrably good hearing seem to start to converge and get similar sounding systems that tend to be on the more natural, less analytical end of the sonic spectrum. Even the few who still use SS amps, have gone to pure Class A amps fed with all tube source gear and tube preamps. I don't know anyone here in Switzerland or nearby that have all SS systems anymore...we all came from them though! This seems to be a peculiarly American thing...speaking as an American, FWIW. Sure there are plenty of SS products designed right here in Switzerland and Germany, but the hardcore audiophiles I know who live here don't actually own them...it seems they are more for export.

 

[Elliot G.]

What I have found is that people I know with demonstrably good hearing seem to start to converge and get similar sounding systems that tend to be on the more natural, less analytical end of the sonic spectrum

Moricab isn't that the idea of all hi fi. You are making my point.
Looks may vary due to cultural taste. Asia, and others like gold for example. I guess the Swiss like the modern silver computer chassis look , that's not audio that's fashion and style. Some like old school looks, sometimes looks are determined by design criteria.
I would hope everyone here wants great sound and that is why they are here but large sweeping generalizations and geographic bias to me is a bridge to far.