THE HIFI FIVE ROUNDTABLE DISCUSSION STREAMING LIVE ON YOUTUBE PREMIERING IN OCTOBER!

[Kingrex]

I read the article in post 73. Honestly, I have lost faith in most science. For the most part I see scientists as tools, used by business and government to give a false sense of comfort and validation to lies.
I know a scientist in the pharma industry. He explained to me how they are directed by management to manipulate the data, lie to everyone, including themselves.

My take is the author is lying to himself. Mostly out of his inability to figure out how to measure something he hears, so he says it doesn't exist. If he were presented with new data validating a change, he would immediately claim he hears the change and always heard it.
Sorry, never watched the round table.

 

[Kingrex]

I just read this from another forum that has 0 to do with audio.

One thing that has made manosphere discourse immensely frustrating, aside from the outright lies and the inability to interpret data (a dying skill set), is the fact that there are some kernels of truth buried in there.


The inability to interpret data, measure correctly or recognize the small kernel of truth is distorting the whole conclusion is wrapped in the "Dying Skill Set". My perception is very very few people understand how to use data. The lack the recognition what they are looking at, shinney as it may be, is only one data point. Its far from seeing the whole picture. Science is like a microscope. You can be very absolute about everything under the lens, blown up and easy to see. But you are completely blind to all that is outside the field of view.

 

[Elliot G.]

THere are things I wanted to say last night and never did for various reasons. The circular reasoning my some makes me nuts that if you can measure everything that matters however when listening if there is a difference there must be something wrong is just nuts. Either you can measure everything or you can't. The scientist stuff to tell me what? . Audio is part science and part Art. I discussed this morning with Oliver who is a trained engineer with an extensive background and degrees on this subject and he said that measurements are important for a variety of reasons. The reasons include eliminating errors, having a technical baseline, quality control etc. however listening is also an important part as many things like specific parts measure the same or worse yet can sound better, You want to measure I have no issues with this at all. We all can see spec sheets and for the most part they are almost all the same in things like frequency response and distortion yet we all LISTEN and find there are dramatically different results so why is this not measurable?
I respect that people have different opinions and I am open minded to listen to them but that is where it ends for me. I KNOW I CAN LISTEN and hear different things and so can many others. The measurement only stuff is for me insulting and just wrong.