The Grid Protector, the EMI Protector and The Allocator By Schnerzinger-In My System and I’m Blown Away

[Jazzjunkie]

My antennas are all aligned with he joint painting forward to the listener. AAs you stated, the manga is very specific about this. This only applies to the Protctors and and not to Multiguard or allocator Antennas

You are lucky and your correct orientation of all antennas is the main reason why you hear no tradeoffs! To those who didn't care about the device AND ANTENNA orientation with ALL old and new Giga Cancelling devices (at least those with an LED): do it! It makes a day and night difference in performance and at the same time avoids all otherwise possible tradeoffs.

In case some of you had a wrong orientation of only one or some of them, you didn't experience the real performance of your devices yet!

 

[jasond]

To those using a Grid and EMI, have you Long term experience of positioning them close to the HiFi rack is beneficial or better on the opposite wall?

 

[Jazzjunkie]

To those using a Grid and EMI, have you Long term experience of positioning them close to the HiFi rack is beneficial or better on the opposite wall?

Regarding devices which don’t protect the whole room, but smaller or larger spot areas (EMI):

Put it where the interference is and/or where you want to have an airy/spacious soundstage. This is usually where equipment is placed or between speakers.

For the Grid: where you need it for socket connection. It more or less just protects itself with the antenna, so you can place it where you want, near the rack is fine.

 

[jasond]

Regarding devices which don’t protect the whole room, but smaller or larger spot areas (EMI):

Put it where the interference is and/or where you want to have an airy/spacious soundstage. This is usually where equipment is placed or between speakers.

For the Grid: where you need it for socket connection. It more or less just protects itself with the antenna, so you can place it where you want, near the rack is fine.

Thank you! So when placing the EMI closely then the small antenna is suggested rather than using the large one?

 

[Jazzjunkie]

Thank you! So when placing the EMI closely then the small antenna is suggested rather than using the large one?

No, the larger one just has more effect. Wether you need it depends on what you hear.

 

[Steve Williams]

To those using a Grid and EMI, have you Long term experience of positioning them close to the HiFi rack is beneficial or better on the opposite wall?

Bottom line , you have to try yourself. My rack is along the left side wall but Grid and EMI Protectors are are at the front wall behind my amps

I have 2 reflectors inside the Grid and EMi along the front wall pointing to wards my chair as well as 2 Reflectors in the left and rear corners pointing towards my chair.

I use the Allocator beside my rack and the multiguard Master along my right side wall and 2 multiguards in the front wall behind my amps, a multiguard along. the left side wall behind the Allocator and a 4th multi guard in the right rear corner

 

[Arewethereyet]

Also the old Giga Cancelling devices have to be positioned with the antenna's open area of the angular joint in line with the front side of the device towards the listener (or along the wall on their side, that's a matter of experimentation). In case just one of several devices has an off orientation of the device or the antenna, you loose a lot of their benefit. Properly orientated there's always a setting for all benefits WITHOUT ANY TRADEOFF.

What does this mean “antenna’s open area angular joint in line with the front side…”?

I have the EMI and just received the Grid protector, both arrived with two small stubby antennas, not a longer one and shorter one. And both stubby antennas are skinny cylindrical shaped with no side to orientate with the listening position.

Appreciate clarification of the referenced post. Thanks!

 

[Steve Williams]

Have a look at where the antenna screws into the protector and you will see a small open area. This should be directed forward towards the front of the protector and aimed towards the listener.

 

[Audioarts]

Please note that the antennas on the Grid/EMI are quite different from the directional ones of the Reflector. Therefore, placement and use of these different products are distinguishable. The manuals are clear on this but please lmk if something needs clarification.

The small antennas supplied with Grid/EMI have adequate range and are perfectly suited for most applications.

Gideon

 

[Steve Williams]

Please note that the antennas on the Grid/EMI are quite different from the directional ones of the Reflector. Therefore, placement and use of these different products are distinguishable. The manuals are clear on this but please lmk if something needs clarification.

The small antennas supplied with Grid/EMI have adequate range and are perfectly suited for most applications.

Gideon

Thanks for clarifying but it is important for Reflector users to who also have protectors to be certain that the antennas on their Protectors are facing with that little notch forward

 

[Steve Williams]

from the manual.......

IMPORTANT NOTICE

regarding

antenna installation

All antennas of all PROTECTOR models (including older versions) have a

pronounced directional characteristic. Therefore, correct installation must

be given special attention.

The open angled joint of the antenna points directly forward toward the

LED (for verification: the antenna can be tilted forward toward the LED).

 

[Steve Williams]

All SCHNERZINGER PROTECTOR units should have the same orientation:

the front of the device should always face the listening position.

The PROTECTOR units should always be positioned

with the SCHNERZINGER logo or the front of the

device facing the listener—even for units placed

behind or to the side of the listener.

The exact angle can be determined experimentally,

as the orientation can have a noticeable effect on

performance.

 

[Audioarts]

Thanks for sharing, Steve.
That is correct but for those who have now received the new Reflector, they have taken note of the different design of the antennas - so yes, please follow the manual for correct orientation of each device.

 

[Zeotrope]

I’m going to be trying out 4 Reflectors in my media room next week. Will report back on what I hear…

 

[Jazzjunkie]

I’m going to be trying out 4 Reflectors in my media room next week. Will report back on what I hear…

Did you check the antenna orientation of you other units?

 

[Zeotrope]

Did you check the antenna orientation of you other units?

Sorry I read what you wrote about the other units but didn’t understand. The Schnerzinger logos are facing the listening position in all cases and the antennas are cylindrical, so I’m not sure what is meant by antenna orientation?

 

[Jazzjunkie]

Sorry I read what you wrote about the other units but didn’t understand. The Schnerzinger logos are facing the listening position in all cases and the antennas are cylindrical, so I’m not sure what is meant by antenna orientation?

Oh, then you have good times ahead. The other antennas are cylindrical from outside, but anyway directional. Screw them in and then hold the bottom of each and rotate the rest until you could flip them exactly to the front towards the LED. Then put them upright again. That’s the correct direction. The angle joint has to face towards the LED. The difference is night and day and I bet you won’t hear any tradeoff anymore with correct switch positions for your room.

 

[Steve Williams]

Oh, then you have good times ahead. The other antennas are cylindrical from outside, but anyway directional. Screw them in and then hold the bottom of each and rotate the rest until you could flip them exactly to the front towards the LED. Then put them upright again. That’s the correct direction. The angle joint has to face towards the LED. The difference is night and day and I bet you won’t hear any tradeoff anymore with correct switch positions for your room.

There is a recommended orientation for Protectors . correct..the antenna must be able to fold forward and if you can then the orientation is correct.I even have the antenna now on the Master of my Multiguards facing forward towards me. So all antennas now except Allocator and Multiguards are oriented to facing the sitting position


You then sync the satellites with the master. Each satellite is 20 minutes and this is the only time a wall wart is used with the Reflector. When you sync the two switches on master and satellite must be all down in the 2 position.

After that all units should be in zero. then to evaluate you start with switch ONE in All units and listen in ), then all 1 and then all 2. Save the best sound in ALL units . Then with that 1 switch in the desired position, you then evaluate again with switch 2 and pick the best position. ALL master and slaves MUST have switch one and switch 2 in the same position

 

[Zeotrope]

Should the MULTI main unit be facing the Multi Satellites or the listening position?

And this is what you guys mean by the antenna orientation, correct? (Antenna bent for illustrative purposes.)

 

[Steve Williams]

from now on everything faces the listener , even my multi guard master and yes you have the antenna correctly