Grandinote Mach 8 XL vs Mach 9 speakers

[bonzo75]

a horn-loaded twitter.

Wow the holy grail how did you manage to land such a rarity

 

[abeidrov]

Wow the holy grail how did you manage to land such a rarity

I am learning. Next step would be to get something with a horn loaded midrange

 

[DasguteOhr]

This link is very good and should tell you what you need to know...Mephisto need not apply to the job of driving these speakers. They even didn't think the Shinai is very good compared to some modest tube amps. I have heard Shinai and it is quite good sounding for a SS amp, so if you really don't want tubes then get a Grandinote amp. It won't unleash, IMO and the article's opinion you linked, all that the 8XL can do but it still is a very nice sounding SS amp.

But there are many tube amplifiers in the world that are worse than a Shinai amp

Mephisto has no global negative feedback, so it is not connected to the ‘damping factor’? BTW I just switched from Transparent to some cheap Belden speaker cables, and I hear more bite and liveliness in the presentation

No wonder, filter cables limit the bandwidth

 

[abeidrov]

Do you guys have a list of good tube amps to try with the Grandinote speakers? Preferably not very expensive Also, what are the chances of an amp like Lamm or Mastersound to match well with CHP L1 line stage?

 

[morricab]

Do you guys have a list of good tube amps to try with the Grandinote speakers? Preferably not very expensive Also, what are the chances of an amp like Lamm or Mastersound to match well with CHP L1 line stage?

How much is not very expensive?

 

[abeidrov]

How much is not very expensive?

Up to 20 000 USD?

 

[morricab]

Up to 20 000 USD?

Aries Cerat Genus is at the top of that range but worth every penny…

 

[Ligriv]

Do you guys have a list of good tube amps to try with the Grandinote speakers? Preferably not very expensive Also, what are the chances of an amp like Lamm or Mastersound to match well with CHP L1 line stage?

Border Patrol (you had it), one of the best, ask your friend Dimitry, he knows very well this combination.

 

[abeidrov]

Border Patrol (you had it), one of the best, ask your friend Dimitry, he knows very well this combination.

Sorry, no more Border Patrol for me. I would be prefer something with more meat on the bones sound wise, and something more modern.

 

[bonzo75]

Sorry, no more Border Patrol for me. I would be prefer something with more meat on the bones sound wise, and something more modern.

Border patrol with 2 power supplies does not lack weight on the right speaker. Many low watt amps can seem lean with wrong speaker match. It does not have a vintage sound. With 300b tubes you can change sound drastically

 

[abeidrov]

It does in my experience, I used it with Coincident speakers. Anyway, I want something different.

 

[bonzo75]

It does in my experience, I used it with Coincident speakers. Anyway, I want something different.

With two power supplies? What tubes

 

[abeidrov]

The dealer has Grandinote Supremo integrated amp for audition. It should be quite good as it’s a top of the range integrated in the Grandinote line, but XLR inputs only???

 

[morricab]

The dealer has Grandinote Supremo integrated amp for audition. It should be quite good as it’s a top of the range integrated in the Grandinote line, but XLR inputs only???

Give it a go! Curious to know what you think.

 

[Ligriv]

The dealer has Grandinote Supremo integrated amp for audition. It should be quite good as it’s a top of the range integrated in the Grandinote line, but XLR inputs only???

Don't forget that your old friend Dimitri is also a Grandinote dealer, the best and liveliest sound is with the Border Patrol.
If you want something modern with the Grandinote, get the Border Patrol S20 model, just heaven.

 

[Kozak170]

The dealer has Grandinote Supremo integrated amp for audition. It should be quite good as it’s a top of the range integrated in the Grandinote line, but XLR inputs only???

If you're looking to stick with a SS amp but still want to capture the warmth and tonal balance of tube amps, the SIT4 could be a great option. It offers a more musical presentation compared to Grandinote’s push-pull design, providing a more engaging, purer, and more organic sound. If I were in your position with that efficiency, I wouldn’t trade the benefits of single-ended designs for the extra power (which isn’t really needed) offered by push-pull amplifiers. However, it’s worth noting that Grandinote amps are considered some of the best push-pull SS designs available.

Also, in the article you shared, the author strongly preferred the lower-power 25W single-ended 'Haiku Sol I' SS amp over the push-pull Grandinote Shinai.

The speakers definitely need more toe-in in order to come to life. The tonality of the presentation is just beautiful. I am beginning to like them very much even with Mephisto

The need for significant toe-in when using the Gryphon amplifier with the Grandinote Mach speakers might indicate a mismatch between the amplifier's characteristics and the speakers' design. High-sensitivity speakers like the Mach 8 XL are more sensitive to the amplifier's traits. If the amplifier has high feedback, is too sterile, or lacks warmth for that efficiency, the speakers may require more toe-in to focus the soundstage and enhance the perception of energy and engagement.

 

[abeidrov]

Aries Cerat Genus amp arrives tomorrow, next in line is one of the Jadis models. Should be fun.

 

[abeidrov]

The need for significant toe-in when using the Gryphon amplifier with the Grandinote Mach speakers might indicate a mismatch between the amplifier's characteristics and the speakers' design. High-sensitivity speakers like the Mach 8 XL are more sensitive to the amplifier's traits. If the amplifier has high feedback, is too sterile, or lacks warmth for that efficiency, the speakers may require more toe-in to focus the soundstage and enhance the perception of energy and engagement.

So you think a horn loaded tweeter does not need a significant toe-in?

 

[Kozak170]

So you think a horn loaded tweeter does not need a significant toe-in?

Yes, the design of the Grandinote Mach 8 XL is such that it typically does not require significant toe-in adjustments. The speakers are engineered to produce a natural and open sound signature, and in most setups, they deliver a wide and precise sound without needing extreme toe-in. The Grandinote designer has mentioned that these speakers are built to provide clarity and warmth while maintaining a natural sound, making them less dependent on heavy toe-in for optimization.

Additionally, in this article, it is specifically mentioned that the toe-in was a touch less than parallel to the inner speaker wall. This slight adjustment in toe-in helped achieve the best balance of tonal cohesion between the drivers and provided the widest and deepest soundstage, while maintaining accurate and spatially intact image clarity.

 

[morricab]

So you think a horn loaded tweeter does not need a significant toe-in?

They imaged great in Munich with essentially no toe-in. Really curious to hear your thoughts on the Genus. Do you know if it’s an 813 or 845 output tube version?