A Plea For High-End Audio Manufacturer Honesty and Transparency

Ron Resnick

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The industry of high-end audio chronicles the passion for emotionally-engaging sound, the pursuit of engineering perfection and the love of music. The designers of our components come to audio from many different fields, but each designer wants to fill our ears and our souls with joy from the sound of extraordinarily reproduced music.

We are an unusual industry, comprised of a few relatively large companies, and many small companies. Many high-end audio manufacturers start as one person efforts, literally in their garages.

High-end audio is a very unique hobby-based industry in which manufacturers often are in direct communication with end-users, often through WBF. This post is a request for greater honesty and transparency from manufacturers in this industry.

A manufacturer announces a new product, and the manufacturer's distributors and dealers discuss that product publicly. To the end-user the buzz states explicitly or at least implies that the product appears to be a completely engineered, completely tested and ready for production component.

Hobbyists order the component from dealers and the order payments go up the distribution chain back to the manufacturer. If the manufacturer does not have stock on hand, then these payments are used to produce the next copies of the component. In a small, under-capitalized manufacturer this is fine, because the companies are not large enough to produce a quantity of components and maintain an inventory. This is why in our industry orders often take several weeks or months to fill as the manufacturer literally produces the component to order after receiving payment.

But what if, in reality, the manufacturer uses the first purchaser order payments merely to continue and to complete the design and the testing and the pre-production of the component? I think this is wrong.

If a manufacturer conveys talking points to its distributor and that distributor conveys those talking points to its dealers and its dealers convey those talking points to prospective purchasers, I want those talking points to be scrupulously accurate. I don't want those talking points by the manufacturer -- which then are propagated downstream -- to be merely aspirational. If a product is announced as in existence and ready for purchase then that product should be actually fully designed and actually fully tested and actually in production or ready for immediate production.

Unfortunately in high-end audio many manufacturers are under-capitalized with inadequate funds for proper testing of new components under development and about to be released. Manufacturers don't have a dozen prototypes which they send out across the world to be tested in situ in many different audio systems comprised of many different components. High-end audio manufacturers are not like Porsche which sends out prototypes across the world to be test driven from the freezing roads of Finland to the desert roads of Saudi Arabia.

This is not the consumers' problem. This is the manufacturer's problem. Low volume manufacturers in this industry should not use early purchasing consumers as the beta testers. In my opinion many components in this industry are too expensive for the manufacturer effectively to be using the first purchasers as the beta testers.

I advocate for complete honesty and transparency from manufacturers. A hobbyist should not have to wait many months or even a year or more for a component to arrive at his/her front door as the product's design and testing and reproduction -- unbeknownst to the purchaser and maybe even unbeknownst to the distributor and to the dealer -- actually is completed.

Manufacturers should not announce product release dates which are not realistic.

Manufacturers should not take payments for products which are not yet actually fully designed and actually fully tested and actually in production or ready for immediate production.

Manufacturers should not use early-adopting purchasers as beta testers.


Partisan preferences for particular brands and components aside, I hope we all can agree that manufacturers should be scrupulously honest with us hobbyists.
 
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Ron,
A similar post for a plea for transparency and honesty from the dealers and prime opportunists here would also be appreciated....
I think that a plea for everyone involved including Manufacturers, Distributors, Dealers, Reviewers, Social Media Influencers, and consumers would be wonderful but highly unlikely that the toothpaste goes back in the tube.
All the participants of the audio chain have issues.

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If you search for tenderness
It isn't hard to find
You can have the love you need to live
But if you look for truthfulness
You might just as well be blind
It always seems to be so hard to give
Honesty is such a lonely word
Everyone is so untrue
Honesty is hardly ever heard
And mostly what I need from you
 
High-end audio isn’t different from other industries, most start with one to two people.

We all have direct contact with manufactures in a variety of areas. I regularly visit the Ping factory to have my golf clubs worked on.

Do high-end manufacturers really care much about testing their products? I’s a subjective largely self-taught hobby why bother?
 
Ron,

Just to tell that I completely disagree with your plea. IMO it is a trojan in the special status of the high-end industry.

If we want to change the high-end industry we should educate dealers and consumers, not write pleas ...
Not sure I understand this Micro. I am currently in a situation where I ordered a product from a website that, as it turned out, was not even out of beta testing. They did use my money to complete it. Of course I wish I had known. Simple. Right? Are you arguing against this?
 
Not sure I understand this Micro. I am currently in a situation where I ordered a product from a website that, as it turned out, was not even out of beta testing. They did use my money to complete it. Of course I wish I had known. Simple. Right? Are you arguing against this?
Don't try to understand it, Jim. Francisco is just playing his usual contrary game. If you say "white," he says "black."
 
Truthfulness is a problem in high-end audio, in all its segments.

We could start by being honest in the recording industry. We do not know how the albums are made, how many times they have been converted, what their original resolution was, or, in the case of an old recording, what the source for the remaster was.

We could provide measurements for Hi-Fi devices, but the difficulty is that most users do not know how to interpret them.

I am sad to say that the cable and accessory industry is the greatest enemy of honesty and truthfulness.

Until there is a simple set of measurements that are easy to understand, can show some kind of practical value, and can describe what we hear, there will be problems.
 
I don't think that one blanket statement covers all companies and all actors however the too many companies are driven by one part of a business with virtually no knowledge of any of the other parts
 
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Don't try to understand it, Jim. Francisco is just playing his usual contrary game. If you say "white," he says "black."

No Ron, I am playing against your plea and trying to debate a serious issue - the high-end status. I am just keeping my usual position on the subject - the same way I was against the similar positions about codes for "fair" reviewing in WBF, that quickly sank.
 
I am sad to say that the cable and accessory industry is the greatest enemy of honesty and truthfulness.

Until there is a simple set of measurements that are easy to understand, can show some kind of practical value, and can describe what we hear, there will be problems.

I don't see how there would a problem if can listen to a demo before deciding. I was able to do that with all my ZenWave cables prior to purchasing (via WBF member DaveC, owner of ZenWave Audio).

You can also demo other cables via The Cable Company, even though that comes with a charge.
 
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Not sure I understand this Micro. I am currently in a situation where I ordered a product from a website that, as it turned out, was not even out of beta testing. They did use my money to complete it. Of course I wish I had known. Simple. Right? Are you arguing against this?

Well, sorry for being unfriendly, but IMO you should have done the proper research and questioning before ordering.

We can't rule the exceptions. Web market has special rules.
 
Truthfulness is a problem in high-end audio, in all its segments.

We could start by being honest in the recording industry. We do not know how the albums are made, how many times they have been converted, what their original resolution was, or, in the case of an old recording, what the source for the remaster was.

We could provide measurements for Hi-Fi devices, but the difficulty is that most users do not know how to interpret them.

I am sad to say that the cable and accessory industry is the greatest enemy of honesty and truthfulness.

Until there is a simple set of measurements that are easy to understand, can show some kind of practical value, and can describe what we hear, there will be problems.

As we could expect the plea immediately turns into a anti- high-end speech. It is mostly a subjective hobby, surely filled with risks.

There is surely risk free stereo sound reproduction, but I prefer the high-end stereo.
 
The buyer also has to do his / her own due diligence .
I would never pre pay for a product myself.....

Come to think of it
Ok 1 exception FMA but it ll be for a existing product that i have heard myself
 
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Wow! Some interesting takes here.

My points of view FWIW...
1) Like any industry I have been close to there are a spectrum of characters in high-end audio. I have found most organizations and people to be quite trustworthy. I have also found some to be less than ideal. But, I do think it is important to remember that a small fraction of bad actors can create an oversized impression.
2) Because of the small budgets and talent pool, R&D and testing become constrained. I don't know anyway around this. Do you think that MSB bought a Wadax Reference and a dCS Varese in developing the upcoming Sentinel? Do you think that Taiko has tested the Olympus with a wide variety of connections and environments, etc? Maybe they did but my point is just that R&D is very expensive.
3) Because most companies are quite small (let's say <500 FTEs and annual revenue < $100M), there are not the usual rules of play and engagement. In a larger industry a combination of competition and legal actions keep things somewhat more in check. In audio, what are you going to do? Sue the dealer, distributor and manufacturer? For what? You'll spend $100,000 on legal to recover what, $100,000? Consumer optionality and sentiment isn't a 'thing'. For all practical purposes and intents, if you shutdown negative sentiment on WBF you have effectively stopped the spread of bad sentiment. And I think we all know that there are easy ways for a mfr/distributor/dealer to do that - and it's cheap!
4) How is this industry any different than the startup world? Fake it until you make it!
5) I find that the bad behavior exists throughout the chain. Compare the following and you tell me which is worse? a) A manufacturer taking deposits and using them to finish development on a product, b) A dealer/distributor/manufacturer in cahoots with 'influencers' that masquerade as enthusiastic hobbyists/audiophiles on forums like WBF to share the audio nirvana they've found denying any affiliation with the dealer/distributor/manufacturer.
 
Well, sorry for being unfriendly, but IMO you should have done the proper research and questioning before ordering.

We can't rule the exceptions. Web market has special rules.
I did. Obviously. The problem we are discussing is truthfulness not what questions to ask. I don’t think you’re unfriendly. I do think we can strive to do better as an industry. If you don’t think we can then we simply disagree. All good
 
Is there a name I can’t find in the posts ?
does it begin with a letter
Soo temped to say a name .
I think the thread should go away completely
one last thought and it’s not at Ron whom I have great respect for
If I or some other Mortal posted this would it be allowed lol I think not and my phone would be ringing
Just saying as this thread implies some chairs and music
 
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