MUNCHEN 2025 MOC / MARRIOTT The final Chapter !

[andromedaaudio]

Another conclusion i draw is high end audio systems should include equalizers .to adjust FR balance

Speakers are.not designed equal recordings are not recorded the same .

Some people have really odd shaped rooms creating imbalances

The fact that the purest audio reproduction can only be achieved by a hard wired Light bulb / read SET amp is a fallacy/ joke

 

[andromedaaudio]

Last thing , its a shame i missed the Clarisys / VAC room and the Sibatone demo.
Where was it actually ,it was on the ground floor i assume ?

 

[sonrock]

Both on the ground floor but in the corner and right outside the entrance of Hall 1 (WE) and Hall 4 (Clarisys).

 

[orfeo_monteverdi]

Another conclusion i draw is high end audio systems should include equalizers .to adjust FR balance
Speakers are.not designed equal recordings are not recorded the same .
Some people have really odd shaped rooms creating imbalances
The fact that the purest audio reproduction can only be achieved by a hard wired Light bulb / read SET amp is a fallacy/ joke
[emphasis are mine]

You can have both, with a digital equalizer between drive/streaming, and DAC.

An audiophile chap, who is a pro* and only swears by active Neumann, uses a digital equalizer. So everything is super flat, except that...
...he purposely created a bump in the mid-bass region, "for comfort", he said, with a smile.
(very funny: it seems then that a pro admits that the achieved absolute linearity was a departure from listening pleasure... So linearity isn't everything?)

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*he is the engineer responsible for broadcast continuity, at the state Radio and TV broadcast in this country. I respect him, but I noted many times that it is totally impossible to talk subjective with him; he's a die-hard objectivist (who ditched absolute linearity...)

 

[andromedaaudio]

You can have both, with a digital equalizer between drive/streaming, and DAC.

Analogue equalizing only please.

 

[orfeo_monteverdi]

Very few members, except Andromeda, have reported about Stenheim this year.
Stereophile did (Ken Micallef, Jason Victor Serinus, JVS):

[...] the Thales Reference turntable was spinning a worn copy of Roberta Flack’s Killing Me Softly. Paired with the Stenheim speakers and Boulder amplification, the Thales conveyed Flack’s soul-pop classic with impressive separation and deep layering, the music flooding the room as if transferred directly from the recording studio to this Munich salon. - Ken Micallef
JVS - Ken and I both covered this room. [...]
This was one mighty fine system.

https://www.stereophile.com/content...delity-boulder-pink-faun-and-turntable-waited

 

[bonzo75]

Very few members, except Andromeda, have reported about Stenheim this year.
Stereophile did (Ken Micallef, Jason Victor Serinus, JVS):

https://www.stereophile.com/content...delity-boulder-pink-faun-and-turntable-waited

I think i was the first one to report stenheim on this forum after noticing them at Munich in 2015 and 2016 and listening in same room in 2018 at audioarts next to Zellaton reference, with all FM gear. Andro is writing on FM and stenheim today, in 8 more years he will be on sets and horns

 

[andromedaaudio]

Very few members, except Andromeda, have reported about Stenheim this year.
Stereophile did (Ken Micallef, Jason Victor Serinus, JVS):

https://www.stereophile.com/content...delity-boulder-pink-faun-and-turntable-waited

Pairing says a lot i reckon
Some brands just dont match very well, i thought Stenheim / Boulder is a good match , same goes for Vitus /YG and Rivera / Gobel

Btw.

Anybody interested in hearing andromeda speakers , they can be heard at Hifi shop Amplitude in Brussels

 

[matthias]

For me it is not worth it to go to Vienna next year.
Only one room would be really interesting (Silbatone/WE).
I will visit FAS Zurich this autumn, that's it

 

[orfeo_monteverdi]

Some brands just dont match very well, i thought Stenheim / Boulder is a good match

Stenheim (Alumine Two, at least) & Aries Cerat make a breathtaking match (too).

(heard in a well-controlled dedicated room, with diffusers and Helmholtz resonators; simply jaw-dropping for anyone who frequently attends live unamplified concerts)

 

[andromedaaudio]

simply jaw-dropping for anyone who frequently attends live unamplified concerts)

So that rules me out then

 

[orfeo_monteverdi]

I will visit FAS Zurich this autumn

Have you ever been to FAS Zurich?
How are the rooms and demos? (do they play something else than audiophile music?)

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TBH, I regret a little bit that I missed the Munich show this last year, as many seem to report that many exhibitors cared about both the setup and the music played. And we don't know what to expect with Vienna next year...

 

[andromedaaudio]

For me it is not worth it to go to Vienna next year.
Only one room would be really interesting (Silbatone/WE).
I will visit FAS Zurich this autumn, that's it

I heard Poland also has a good show .
I never really been to Warschau city , seems worth a visit

Luckily Brussels has 2 nice free shows in November .

 

[matthias]

Have you ever been to FAS Zurich?
How are the rooms and demos? (do they play something else than audiophile music?)

I was last year there for the first time. The attraction was listening to Clarisys Atrium. The rooms are quite good.
Music isn't different to other audio shows, but you can ask them to play your music.

 

[matthias]

I heard Poland also has a good show .
I never really been to Warschau city , seems worth a visit

Haha, afaik Silbatone/WE is not there and the expenditure is similar to Vienna, so no

 

[andromedaaudio]

My plan was actually to stay in the FMA room all day ....... skip the drama just listen to music

 

[matthias]

My plan was actually to stay in FMA room all day ....... skip the rest just listen to music

That would be headache for me after half an hour

 

[Legolas]

My favourite room by far....



Yes huge speakers, but the most realistic sound IMO. 7ft high, and weight a LOT, but the standard of finish and that paint, very nice indeed. A full Aries Cerat system including the new Monos and the TT. I was in the Friday night lock-in, and it was very loud yet very smooth and relaxing. The bass is a class D open backed system. Midrange and treble horns with compression drivers, and a RAAL ribbon tweeter sat in-between the 2 horns. Very convincing, Flamenco, Bach Organ, processed modern pop, it didn't matter. I will remember this sound for some time...

 

[matthias]

One great sounding room I forgot to mention was Oaudio/Electrocompaniet playing with their top speaker Verdande:

Verdande — Ø Audio

www.oaudio.no

It was really fun to listen (when the subwoofer was not active), it had the vibe and PRAT of Naim Audio in the last century

 

[D.Duttilleux]

Compared to last year's system, this makes a lot more sense (at least to me):



There are four AE 12" woofers mounted on each side (dipole configuration), which should improve low frequency performance.

The midrange horn is the usual Tractrix with full rollback against the curved baffle (which acoustically increases the width).
The Raal Lazy Ribbon (210-10-AM) is loaded by a deep horn to improve directivity, increase efficiency and align the acoustic centers.
The midbass horn is similar to, but also inbetween the Avantgarde Trio and hORNS Universum in terms of rollback/roundover.



This system obviously requires a large space and probably at least 7 meters of listening distance for the horn sections to integrate acoustically and sound coherent. It also seems suitable for house parties, which is a plus.