What is the best speaker you have ever owned ?????
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Steve williams
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I've owned the 1+1 that you have and i found it lacks sorely in the lower octave and there is no visceral impact.
Steve williams
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So if I understand you it seems you are saying that the Acoustats required two F112 subs. Precisely my point. The Acoustats dont move air You need a sub(s)
Mr Acoustat, IF you can get Acoustat's to move air and create a true 30Hz note, never mind anything below that, i take my hat off you. I could never get my 3's with the Mk121c mod and with re-enforced frames to sound anything but mildly veiled, somewhat restricted in their HF ability and worst of all...non-dynamic. It is only once I changed to a pair of dynamic speakers that I realized the amount of information that I was missing. The room also has a HUGE impact with Acoustat's...IME, almost more than any other type of speaker I have ever heard.
IF you are able to get around all of those issues in your system, I am MIGHTILY IMPRESSED!
IF you are able to get around all of those issues in your system, I am MIGHTILY IMPRESSED!
Hence the subs I see in the photos behind him!!
You saw that too?
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* Some people are real happy with true 30 Hz low frequency extension; for music.
Others need true 20 Hz (subs or no subs).
Me, 25 Hz (right between) for both music & movies would do, for now. :b ...Without subs. ...Or with them (2).
-> From all the CDs, SACDs, and Blu-rays I got; I'd say 98.99% I'm satisfied with 25 Hz (+/- 2 dB). ...LPs? Forget it!
And the 'high class' (8 Hz); chapeau! ...They can live without real earthquakes (enough 'movement' in their own homes).
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I am not comparing the 1+1s with the Wilsons those are in my condo and they only go down to 30hz and cost 3k, the ones that where compared to the wilsons are the Spectra 8800s they go down to 24hz NO SUBS and 14hz with the two JL,s F-112 they cost about 12k compared to the Wilsons 200k this is what whe heard at the Montreal show and even the owner of this system was not to impressed with the Wilsons ( again maybe it was the room )
Everytime a system sounds bad at a show it's always the room but all systems are in hotel rooms but they don't ALL sound bad. ?????
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You've measured the panel's FR? What's the -3dB point? It's not some sort of doubling effect? Since bass output on a panel is related to panel area, perhaps you can explain how you've managed to circumvent physics?
The more panels you add, the more you can improve this, but it never stops being noticeable.
I think I also posted previously in this thread my observation, like Davey's, that the Acoustats seem to trade off dynamics for "transparency" and detail.
The 8800's have a lot of panel area, I'm sure they go lower than the 1+1's, but bass quality is another matter.
Well compared to today's electro stats, Astats's don't have a lot of any of the above.
No and then you run into the "drummy" effect-that say SL attempts to solve via smaller panel segments. But it also changes the load presented to the amp too-that already is challenging enough.
Every speaker is compromised in some way. You just have to pick a speaker that has issues you can live with. This is a personal choice.
The best speaker I have owned are my Innersound Kaya's. They are beamy for sure but I don't feel like my head is in a vise. The highs are rolled off if you don't sit in the sweet spot because of the flat panels. These speakers have lots of strengths that line up with what I like. Some people don't like them for various reasons but I find them to be among the best I've heard after building a system around them for the last 5 years.
I'm sure there are many other speakers out there that given the right conditions ie room/equipment can sound as good or better in some ways. If I had an abundance of disposable cash I would probably try other avenues but it would be just for the fun of trying different things.
The best speaker I have owned are my Innersound Kaya's. They are beamy for sure but I don't feel like my head is in a vise. The highs are rolled off if you don't sit in the sweet spot because of the flat panels. These speakers have lots of strengths that line up with what I like. Some people don't like them for various reasons but I find them to be among the best I've heard after building a system around them for the last 5 years.
I'm sure there are many other speakers out there that given the right conditions ie room/equipment can sound as good or better in some ways. If I had an abundance of disposable cash I would probably try other avenues but it would be just for the fun of trying different things.
Andre, you started this thread with the question "What is the best speaker you ever owned?"
Many have responded, stated their preference and gotten off their soapbox. You also answered your question, but you appear to be on a "mission."
Everybody has preferences for what they like and there are as many preferences as there are products and purchasers.
I love what I have, but I'm not going to get into a discussion with Martin-Logan, Gryphon, Wilson, Sonus Faber, MBL, Magneplan or other speaker owners professing or defending why mine sounds better. It would be a fruitless discussion and it would get old after a while. I'll say what I think a few times and then concede.
We really get it. You LOVE the Acoustats and that's really wonderful. Everybody should be as lucky to love what they have, but all the repeated claims, acclaims and photos of the Acoustats and supposed problems with other speakers are beginning to sound the the cries of a desperate car salesman.
Many have responded, stated their preference and gotten off their soapbox. You also answered your question, but you appear to be on a "mission."
Everybody has preferences for what they like and there are as many preferences as there are products and purchasers.
I love what I have, but I'm not going to get into a discussion with Martin-Logan, Gryphon, Wilson, Sonus Faber, MBL, Magneplan or other speaker owners professing or defending why mine sounds better. It would be a fruitless discussion and it would get old after a while. I'll say what I think a few times and then concede.
We really get it. You LOVE the Acoustats and that's really wonderful. Everybody should be as lucky to love what they have, but all the repeated claims, acclaims and photos of the Acoustats and supposed problems with other speakers are beginning to sound the the cries of a desperate car salesman.
For me it will be 30 years in 2014 IF i live till then ( you guys are killing me )
OK Mr Acoustat
By now we know you love Acoustat and for You they're the best speakers you have owned ... Don't you think you've driven the point home by now? if not , please be assured that we get it.
Steve,
Although I do not know what visceral impact really means in sound quality - IMHO this should mean very loud insane sound levels to impress friends during a few minutes, using a demo recording, played usually at louder than life levels.
Could you clarify what you mean by it before I post about Sound Labs performance?
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