Probably a tad more upscale in some cases !
Yeah, like our Model S. The new Roadster is a bit rich for our blood. I hope it is bigger inside than the first one. Saw one the other day in person. Really small. Not for long haul driving.
Probably a tad more upscale in some cases !
Yeah, like our Model S. The new Roadster is a bit rich for our blood. I hope it is bigger inside than the first one. Saw one the other day in person. Really small. Not for long haul driving.
plus a $245,000 wire transfer payment due in 10 days. / Roadster reservations require an initial $5,000 credit card payment,
In 2 or 3 years your $1/4 million deposit might be thin air, and no car delivered.
The great acceleration #s were done with a car with the minimum amount of battery [weight] in order to record the #s.
EV tax freebies are going away; not good for the business model [good for hard working taxpayers].
zz.
question; how do you fund the Model 3 production trainwreck?
answer; slight of hand sports car diversion with deposits.
lots of faith being asked for......let's see how much gets delivered.
building cars devours huge amounts of cash, something now being fully realized.
I'm with Mike on this one. I don't think I drove my AMG 1500 miles this year. The miles I did drive certainly put a smile on my face though!! I'm sure Christian can attest to this as well with his Ferrari's.
I bought my AMG to drive.
I love it, Drives great
Teslas are only fast for a very short duration... meaning they are totally unsuitable for track use and won't do a single lap at the Nurburgring without overheating.
The speeds they get from the cars require the batteries to be heated to a certain temperature, then they overheat very quickly... and this may severely reduce the life of the battery.
I have no problem with this except for the fact Elon bills his cars as "green" when in fact they are incredibly energy intensive to build with massive environmental impacts involved in their production, all with a huge tax subsidy for the people who buy these toys.
I think this new Tesla is the antithesis of what mfg'ers should be going for with electric vehicles. It's a toy, a numbers queen that can never keep up with a real car in the real world. It is no better environmentally than any other supercar, probably much worse considering the low miles most put on supercars.
Why are you even posting here if your mind is already made up? Have you ever driven a Model S?
Steve N.
I am the type who would probably drive an exotic into depreciation... but DaveC brings up a very valid point, the Tesla is almost a gimmick. The fact that you can only floor it once in awhile is a bit irritating. The numbers are unreal compared to gas cars. It is the fastest car in the world IMO, because top speed is meaningless. Being geared with the power to hit a high top speed isn't very interesting since you basically never get the chance to try it... Where as acceleration you can use whenever it's not wet out! And the Tesla shames the new Charger which was going to be the fastest acceleration production car to date. If you don't understand how fast 8.8 1.4 mile is, well... I can't really explain it well. You're going to poop your pants.
I don't have a "P" series and I plan to drive my S90D for 30 years. I'll probably get an upgraded battery pack in 20 years, which will give me more range than 300 miles. I have not needed more range actually. I get rigor-mortise sitting in a car for more than about 2.5 hours anyway. Chargers are about every 100 miles or so. As for acceleration, 4.2 seconds is fast enough to pass any truck or several trucks even. They ticket you here for going over the limit when passing. Stupid....
Steve N.
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daily driver depreciation percentages are livable (at 12k-15k miles per year) under about $110 to $120k. over that it becomes prohibitive.
look for a 15k miles per year 2 or 3 year old 911 for sale. they don't exist. leases allow for 7500-15,000 miles for three years. and most of these are under $130k MSRP. I don't know your exact AMG. but you don't commute, and just go to the club a mile away most days. 6k-7k miles a year? right?
once super exotics get over $200k likely they sit inside a garage next to one or two (or 5) other trophy cars.....none of which have more than 2000 miles.
and their acquisition mirrors the stock market trends.
that is how things have evolved. people use their big boats or one of their other residences, but their toy cars mostly sit.
Mike
you really have a way to take the fun out of driving
I drive my car daily because I love doing such and really don't care about the depreciation or the other stuff you do to justify why you only drive a few miles a year in your car.
The way you describe your driving pleasure is like being locked into a lease where you count your miles and wear and tear. Not my cup of tea Mike. If that floats your boat, then I'm all for it
As for resales I never buy used, always new
I have never really understood why Teslas are considered "green" and less bad for the environment than cars with internal combustion engines. Sure, no stinky exhaust comes out of the back of the Tesla, but aren't we just trading those gas engine micro-polluters for more exhaust coming out of the macro-polluting coal-fired power plants? (I don't know -- I am asking.)
If we wanted to achieve a net improvement for the environment wouldn't we be powering cars with natural gas?
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