SRX Vinyl 2019 Blue Note Reissues, total Audiophile P.O.SHIT!!

[miniguy]

This is the only MM reissue of anything that I have and didn't even know that Classic had done some too, don't even think I bought more than a few of their titles in the past, why?

david

Then you are listening in an isolated world, without even an inkling that what you label, perhaps unfairly, as shit production values of the MM SRX reissues might be, in fact, a reflection of the original tape.

 

[ddk]

Then you are listening in an isolated world, without even an inkling that what you label, perhaps unfairly, as shit production values of the MM SRX reissues might be, in fact, a reflection of the original tape.

I know very well why and what I'm labeling as shit !

The things I've pointed out aren't subjective, they're objective! You can like what hear subjectively but what I mentioned is there. If they used a poor source it's on them too.

david

 

[dminches]

I know very well what and why I'm labeling as shit !

The things I've pointed out aren't subjective, they're objective! You can like what hear subjectively but what I mentioned is there. If they used a poor source it's on them too.

david

FWIW, they are using the master tapes in just about every case. That's what was used for the original BN issues as well as a good majority of the reissues including Analogue Productions and Music Matters.

 

[Folsom]

FWIW, they are using the master tapes in just about every case. That's what was used for the original BN issues as well as a good majority of the reissues including Analogue Productions and Music Matters.

That means very little. When you record on tape they have "tones" aka EQ'd frequencies. So if you go straight from tape to vinyl, it'll sound horrific. You have to adjust for the tones. The problem is people didn't always write them down, and even worse the machines were often different so setting the tones to the written notes had limited viability to get the correct original mixing. Basically they have to start over every time unless they know the machine and notes from the original.

 

[dminches]

That means very little. When you record on tape they have "tones" aka EQ'd frequencies. So if you go straight from tape to vinyl, it'll sound horrific. You have to adjust for the tones. The problem is people didn't always write them down, and even worse the machines were often different so setting the tones to the written notes had limited viability to get the correct original mixing. Basically they have to start over every time unless they know the machine and notes from the original.

Not sure why you responding with this information. I was just responding to the comment "maybe they used a bad source."

 

[ddk]

FWIW, they are using the master tapes in just about every case. That's what was used for the original BN issues as well as a good majority of the reissues including Analogue Productions and Music Matters.

I have no idea about the tapes only how this lot was remastered and pressed and it's their responsibility to secure good masters if that's what you're trying to say.

david

 

[miniguy]

I know very well why and what I'm labeling as shit !

The things I've pointed out aren't subjective, they're objective! You can like what hear subjectively but what I mentioned is there. If they used a poor source it's on them too.

david

So now what you hear is the basis for an objective assessment? Really?

 

[Folsom]

Not sure why you responding with this information. I was just responding to the comment "maybe they used a bad source."

I'm just saying that "using the master tapes" isn't a guarantee of anything.

 

[ddk]

So now what you hear is the basis for an objective assessment? Really?

Read what I wrote and go listen for yourself, don't care either way.

david

 

[miniguy]

I have no idea about the tapes only how this lot was remastered and pressed and it's their responsibility to secure good masters if that's what you're trying to say.

david

It’s their responsibility to make a silk purse out of a sow’s ear?

 

[dminches]

I'm just saying that "using the master tapes" isn't a guarantee of anything.

Well, it is the best source to start with assuming it has deteriorated, which was my point. It isn't a guarantee that the finished product will be any good.

 

[ddk]

It’s their responsibility to make a silk purse out of a sow’s ear?

First you argue with me about records you haven't heard and and now a master that you know nothing about. Why don't you first buy a couple of the SRX albums have a listen and then come back and point out where I'm wrong.

david

 

[bazelio]

I just listened to a couple to compare the 45 to the SRX. In the two randomly picked, I'm going to have to describe them as more similar than different.

First off, Lou Donaldson "Blues Walk" sounds very good on the SRX. I still get ambient cues, for example. Horace Silver "Song For My Father" sounds really similar between the two, with the SRX having a blacker background. I could *probably* pick them out in a blind A/B ... but I wouldn't bet on it.

So... thus far, with two random choices on quick compare, I can't call the SRX a piece of sh!t. @ddk - perhaps you might pick up a couple of the MM 45 and then see if you think the SRX is significantly worse. I don't, on the couple I tried. Maybe they are all garbage, then. But I don't think so there, either...

 

[bazelio]

A few more quick back and forth compares:

Blues Walk (SRX vs Classic Records) - The CR [Bernie Grundman] is better, and the most different out of the rest. But I'm also a Bernie fanboy. What can I say. That said, the SRX isn't absent of ambient cues.

Introducing Johnny Griffin (SRX vs Japanese mono pressing by Kevin Gray at Cohearent) - Eh, flip a coin. The SRX is good.

Sonny Rollins Vol1 (SRX vs Japanese mono again) - SRX is good. Quiet. What's so bad about quiet vinyl again? Now I'm getting confused. ;-)

Song For My Father (SRX vs Music Matters 45) - Both solid. SRX a bit quieter. I'd take the MM45 over the SRX though, I do think. But I'm not falling out of my chair over the difference here.

 

[ddk]

I just listened to a couple to compare the 45 to the SRX. In the two randomly picked, I'm going to have to describe them as more similar than different.

First off, Lou Donaldson "Blues Walk" sounds very good on the SRX. I still get ambient cues, for example. Horace Silver "Song For My Father" sounds really similar between the two, with the SRX having a blacker background. I could *probably* pick them out in a blind A/B ... but I wouldn't bet on it.

So... thus far, with two random choices on quick compare, I can't call the SRX a piece of sh!t. @ddk - perhaps you might pick up a couple of the MM 45 and then see if you think the SRX is significantly worse. I don't, on the couple I tried. Maybe they are all garbage, then. But I don't think so there, either...

Fair enough Brian, great if you like that type of sound.
david

 

[miniguy]

http://www.theabsolutesound.com/articles/music-matters-srx-vinyl-series/

 

[christoph]

Only pain are the brief moments of Novocain injections.

...and when you open the invoice for the procedure

 

[dminches]

A few more quick back and forth compares:

Blues Walk (SRX vs Classic Records) - The CR [Bernie Grundman] is better, and the most different out of the rest. But I'm also a Bernie fanboy. What can I say. That said, the SRX isn't absent of ambient cues.

I just received my SRX and have the Classic so I am going to do a comparison today.

Interestingly, I also own a stereo Blues Walk on 15ips 2 track reel. The sound stage is very nice with this since the congas are in one channel and the drums in the other. Makes for a nice presentation.

 

[bazelio]

@ddk it could be a case of not knowing what I'm missing. What is your baseline? Do you find the original pressings to be always better? What if the original mastering engineer did a poor job? In the case of the Blue Notes, it may not even matter given their cost. Most people just aren't going to be able to collect them, regardless. So if we want to listen to this music all, most of the time, we're going to choose a particular remaster.

 

[JackD201]

Chill DDK

If I got as aggravated as you everytime I bought what I connsidered bum releases, I'd propbably be dead by now. I comfort myself with the thought that some kids with Croslesy are probably enjoying them without having to have paid full price to boot.