Soundstage Height

[garylkoh]

Works like a charm in the near field. I have mine tilted back and it puts the top of the image several inches above the speakers, and that's from just 4 feet back. By experimenting with toe-in and tilt, a good pair of monitors with sub(s) could project a very nice sound stage, even into a sizeable room.

Tim

With height?

On the FIM recording I linked to Phil in the previous page, there is a very well-defined back, and then forward down, and then backward upward movement of the shaker. It is most easily demo-ed on line source loudspeakers, best illustrated in in Winston's room (with the Avalon Sentinels) and can even be heard on well set-up monitor speakers.

I use the track as part of my loudspeaker set-up procedure, and have demo'ed this soundstage height countless times. When I demo it, I will not tell the audience what to hear, but get one of the audience to get up and show us what he/she thinks is happening with the shaker. If the system is out of phase (as happened to me once when I didn't verify before conducting the demo) the shaker goes backwards instead of forwards and down, but the up down movement is the same in-phase or out-of-phase. It may be a nature of this recording. Winston once told me how he thought it was done.

 

[Phelonious Ponk]

With height?

Height? Absolutely. Vertical image? Well, that's another subject, and a well-covered one.

Tim

 

[NorthStar]

We all know that the movie 'Master and Commander - The Far side of the World' contains some great 'height' sounds. And on Blu-ray, it rocks!

But did you know that this movie here also, below, on DVD, contains some great 'height' effects?

---

...And it is a lovely movie that is a lot of fun to watch. :b

 

[microstrip]

With height? (...) I use the track as part of my loudspeaker set-up procedure, and have demo'ed this soundstage height countless times. When I demo it, I will not tell the audience what to hear, but get one of the audience to get up and show us what he/she thinks is happening with the shaker. If the system is out of phase (as happened to me once when I didn't verify before conducting the demo) the shaker goes backwards instead of forwards and down, but the up down movement is the same in-phase or out-of-phase. It may be a nature of this recording. Winston once told me how he thought it was done.

Gary,
I do not want to resurrect and old thread, but your last sentence is of utmost importance for understanding the topic. Do you know if it was a microphone technique, a later mixing desk manipulation or none of them?

 

[garylkoh]

Gary,
I do not want to resurrect and old thread, but your last sentence is of utmost importance for understanding the topic. Do you know if it was a microphone technique, a later mixing desk manipulation or none of them?

Just microphone. The shaker was moved over the pattern described in front of a pair of mics.

 

[vdorta]

I agree with the posts about monitors and the Spica TC-50. A speaker I will always remember is the original EgglestonWorks Andra, the short one. It projected a soundstage height all the way to the ceiling. On the other hand, I have listened several times to Vandersteen 5s and 7s and they always had a low soundstage, barely above the speaker tops. Robert Harley agreed (Vandy 7), but he justified it on the speaker not being a tall one.