Andre,
My apologies, it was not my intention - please keep your fun. BTW, perhaps I should have understood that there was a real war going on before posting!
Shoot out at the OK corral!
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Andre,
My apologies, it was not my intention - please keep your fun. BTW, perhaps I should have understood that there was a real war going on before posting!
Wow, I leave for a few hours and this is what I come back to, LOL.
I have sent mep a PM ( as he requested), we shall see if he bothers to respond.....even with a
I read the PM and it consisted of an email that Davey sent to SF back in 2010 to ask them what tweeter was in the GH speakers. It didn't address what woofer was in the speaker. So now we are down to "clarifying" 50% of what speakers are actually inside the GH. The contest was between the Dynaudio Esotar and Esotec or so we thought. The response Davey received from SF was neither. They told him the tweeter was the Dyanaudio D-28/2. Here is the actual SF response that Davey sent me:
Dear Sir,
I'd like to confirm that Guarneri H. tweeter is Dynaudio D28/2, super custom designed for Sonus faber.
Kind regards,
Antonio Donà
Customer care
Sonus faber S.p.a.
Via Meucci 10
36057 Arcugnano (VI)
Italy
Phone +39 0444288788
Fax +39 0444288722
support@sonusfaber.com
Now once upon a time, I built speakers for years and I loved using Dyanaudio drivers because they were the best that I could lay my hands on. I have much experience with the D-28 tweeter and I have to assume the "/2" version is just another variant of the basic D-28 design. The real point here is that the D-28 predates both the Esotar and Esotec tweeters and of course is neither of them. So instead of some ultimate clarification/definitive answer for what drivers are actually inside the GH speakers, we are left with more confusion about the tweeter and zero information about the woofer.
With the snide remarks directed towards Martin Colloms and how the SF community "knows" what drivers are actually in the GH speakers, I expected way more than the info I received from Davey. The funny thing is that I really don't give a damn. I started out by praising the quality of the drivers used in the GH speakers from what MC said in his review only to be told I was wrong (no good deed goes unpunished). I don't own the GH speakers and probably never will. I just made the mistake of praising the quality of the drivers that I thought were in them which started this attack on MC's credibility and by association me because I quoted him.
What's really rich here is that Davey asked me in his PM "at the very least" for a public retraction. Retraction of what?? We now have some version of a Dynaudio D-28 tweeter and zero information from any authoritative source on what woofer is in the GH.
I gotta say, I'm not a contentious person here. I don't write to provoke, and I am usually pretty tempered in my responses. So when I asked Davey about taking into account synergies, his reaction was that it was 'foolhardy at best.' (See post #61). Since the tenor of the thread now seems to be that comments and legitimate criticisms are OK so long as there is no 'agenda' (I have none) or aggressive sniping (I wasn't snarky), I'm a little lost on what constitutes legitimate comment from any quarter.
(sigh)
Apparently, you're incapable of understanding the OBVIOUS differences between "constructive" criticism and your obnoxious behavior within, not only this thread, but countless others.
Deny, deflect and/or pretend all you want, however ... accountability, or the lack of, always measures one's credibility.
Just move on ...
tb1
If you want to address the substance of my original comments rather than the tenor of this thread (where a legitimate question is met with disdain), I suppose the answer would be:
amps
wire
speaker positioning.
I gather that two amps were tried- a large solid state one and Davey's tube amp, which if memory serves is an ARC D-70 mkII. (Whether those amps represent the best match or even the typical ones for the KEF, I don't know). But I do know that wire and speaker placement also make a huge difference. My suspicion, given the warmth of the Sonus Faber is that the Nordost cable might be a good match, but perhaps leave the KEF sounding a little 'thin' (which is what Andre and Davey suggested, as I remember).
Likewise, putting the speakers in exactly the same position as the SF is not necessarily going to lead to extracting their best. As I said earlier, the notion of changing just one variable, while seeming 'scientific' doesn't account for what makes various components work best as a system.
But, frankly, that's not the real issue at this point, or why I raised the question about the tenor of the thread.
OK, just go back and re-read my original question which led to the reply in #61. I can't imagine that being read by any one as accusatory. I think, in an effort to support what was probably a well meant 'fun' listening and comparison session, any question seems to be inappropriate. So be it. I'm out.
How about the accusatory answers that were given in relation to innocent statements which then prompts what could be considered accusatory questions?
Certainly does, but I figure Marc & Davey already understand that issue. I can name so-many other factors that may account for synergistic differences within ANY review, and trust me, I consider synergy of paramount importance. But this "review" ... or shootout, in my opinion didn't warrant such due-diligence; for one thing, considering the circumstances, it would be next to impossible to account for all synergistic requirements in a proper fashion, and in reality ... this was SIMPLY a case of two 'a'philes meeting at a friends home ... bringing along some equipment ... and a desire to share the results.
Why then, would anyone want to assume otherwise?
tb1
Gentlemen, come on now. Please remember that this is not your sand box. Respect it as such and follow the rules set forth in the TOS or find yourself not being able to post here at all.
At the end of the day, this was a thread about some guys getting together and having some audio fun. Then sharing their observations. If this is what the result is gonna be, then no one will ever share their observations.
Tom
At the end of the day, this was a thread about some guys getting together and having some audio fun. Then sharing their observations. If this is what the result is gonna be, then no one will ever share their observations.
Tom
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