Samsung loses patent suit to Apple
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* Peoples on some forums; ever wonder where they come from?
** When I asked "Are you buying it?", I meant if you were convinced by the video,
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...Very tough to find around, but they're few ruminating, humbling (humdingers) here & there.
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...The ones who will survive any type of natural and human disasters.
Not anymore. ...Not my game; the game for the 'artificials'. ...Nothing official.
Money can be made by the boat loads, or it can destroy an entire life's dream.
* Peoples on some forums; ever wonder where they come from?
** When I asked "Are you buying it?", I meant if you were convinced by the video,
and not if you were buying Samsung shares.
- The only solid thing to buy in life is in real people, with real foundation on real happiness.
...Very tough to find around, but they're few ruminating, humbling (humdingers) here & there.
_________________________
After you've search and investigate in good stocks runned by good companies,
it's up to the 'stars' to decide of your destiny.
Then when you have experienced that situation first hand and very solidly,
the true essence starts. ...Research the real people, investigate the solid ones.
...The ones who will survive any type of natural and human disasters.
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Sorry it looks as if I was editing my post while you were posting!
-----No sweat, I always do too; just like I did in my above post.
...And I did read the rest of your post.
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I just wanted to point this out on the question of understading the issues, on the part of the jurors. It is the lawyers obligation to properly explain the issues. KISS. Keep it simple stupid. Assume you have an eigth grade drop out with the attention span of a two year old. Also assume he is more interested in the hot court reporter than he is in your case.
At this level they could actually hire a focus group and present thier entire case.
It's no excuse.
Greg.
At this level they could actually hire a focus group and present thier entire case.
It's no excuse.
Greg.
As someone here predicted : http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-5...ing-just-fine-after-apple-verdict-poll-finds/
"Samsung's image doing just fine after Apple verdict, poll finds
A pro-Apple verdict last month could have sent Samsung's brand image tumbling, but a new poll says the company is hotter than ever."
While it's easy to look at the overwhelmingly pro-Apple verdict handed down by a San Jose, Calif. jury last month as damaging to Samsung's image, a new survey suggests that's not the case.
According to the results of a new survey put out by polling firm YouGov, Samsung has had a big comeback in the past two weeks, and actually managed to surpass Apple in the firm's proprietary "buzz score" rating among both early technology adopters and those in the 18-34 age group.
The methodology behind the numbers asks people if they have "heard anything about the brand in the last two weeks, through advertising, news or by word of mouth," then answer whether it was positive or negative. The firm then turns that score into a number between 100 to -100 (-100 is completely negative, and 100 is completely positive). Points are assigned by "subtracting negative feedback from positive."
Here's what that looks like for "early technology adopters":
(Credit: YouGov)
And for 18-34 year olds:
(Credit: YouGov)
Per YouGov, that data comes from online surveys of about 5,000 people each day in the U.S.
On August 24, Apple was given a sweeping verdict against Samsung in a U.S. trial between the two companies. That result puts Samsung on the hook for more than a billion dollars in damages, and has given Apple the grounds to request permanent U.S. sales bans against the infringing products -- an item that hasn't yet been sorted out.
While not a definitive insight into whether those opinions were weighed by the results of the trial, YouGov's Ted Marzilli offers that there was strong evidence to support the rankings were closely tied.
"Samsung's Buzz score was cut in half from 26 on that day to 12 by August 31, while Apple rose modestly from 33 to 38 in the same period, making a 26 point difference between the two brands at the end of the month," Marzilli wrote.
He added that Samsung then proceeded to make gains, and actually surpassed Apple late last week.
YouGov's findings match up with a study performed by researchers at London-based Media Measurement that suggested Apple's brand image took a dive following the verdict. Those results, published by Forbes last week, found an overwhelming number of those who took to Twitter and Facebook in order discuss the verdict, had negative things to say about the company."
: http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-5...ing-just-fine-after-apple-verdict-poll-finds/"Samsung's image doing just fine after Apple verdict, poll finds
A pro-Apple verdict last month could have sent Samsung's brand image tumbling, but a new poll says the company is hotter than ever."
While it's easy to look at the overwhelmingly pro-Apple verdict handed down by a San Jose, Calif. jury last month as damaging to Samsung's image, a new survey suggests that's not the case.
According to the results of a new survey put out by polling firm YouGov, Samsung has had a big comeback in the past two weeks, and actually managed to surpass Apple in the firm's proprietary "buzz score" rating among both early technology adopters and those in the 18-34 age group.
The methodology behind the numbers asks people if they have "heard anything about the brand in the last two weeks, through advertising, news or by word of mouth," then answer whether it was positive or negative. The firm then turns that score into a number between 100 to -100 (-100 is completely negative, and 100 is completely positive). Points are assigned by "subtracting negative feedback from positive."
Here's what that looks like for "early technology adopters":
(Credit: YouGov)
And for 18-34 year olds:
(Credit: YouGov)
Per YouGov, that data comes from online surveys of about 5,000 people each day in the U.S.
On August 24, Apple was given a sweeping verdict against Samsung in a U.S. trial between the two companies. That result puts Samsung on the hook for more than a billion dollars in damages, and has given Apple the grounds to request permanent U.S. sales bans against the infringing products -- an item that hasn't yet been sorted out.
While not a definitive insight into whether those opinions were weighed by the results of the trial, YouGov's Ted Marzilli offers that there was strong evidence to support the rankings were closely tied.
"Samsung's Buzz score was cut in half from 26 on that day to 12 by August 31, while Apple rose modestly from 33 to 38 in the same period, making a 26 point difference between the two brands at the end of the month," Marzilli wrote.
He added that Samsung then proceeded to make gains, and actually surpassed Apple late last week.
YouGov's findings match up with a study performed by researchers at London-based Media Measurement that suggested Apple's brand image took a dive following the verdict. Those results, published by Forbes last week, found an overwhelming number of those who took to Twitter and Facebook in order discuss the verdict, had negative things to say about the company."
And: http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-501465_...-apple-if-lte-device-is-released-report-says/
Samsung threatens to sue Apple if LTE device is released, report says
(CBS News) The saga of Apple vs. Samsung may not be over anytime soon. This time the South Korean electronics giant is reportedly seeks to cripple Apple by blocking the airways.
According to a recent report by the Korea Times, Samsung says it will "immediately sue Apple" if the company releases a products that uses long-term evolution (LTE) technology.
LTE is the technical name for what is often marketed at the 4G LTE network. Currently, most smartphones use the 3G network to access wireless data, but many will eventually be upgraded to a 4G LTE network.
Citing Thompson-Reuters data, the Times says that Samsung has the third-highest number of LTE patents at 12.2 percent - Nokia tops the list with 18.9 percent, followed by Qualcomm at 12.5 percent.
The reported threat of a lawsuit is only the latest in a series of events to transpire between the two companies. Samsung and Apple just wrapped up a heated court battle over patent infringement.
Apple sued Samsung for allegedly knocking off its popular iPhone and iPad. The computer giant sought $2.5 billion in damages.
Samsung denied the charges and countersued Apple for $422 million. A nine-person federal jury in San Jose, Calif. ruled in favor of Apple on August 24 and awarded the company with $1.05 billion in damages.
Apple will also seek a ban on eight Samsung products: Galaxy S 4G, Galaxy S2 AT&T, Galaxy S2, Galaxy S2 T-Mobile, Galaxy S2 Epic 4G, Galaxy S Showcase, Droid Charge and Galaxy Prevail. A court date is set for December 6.
Samsung threatens to sue Apple if LTE device is released, report says
(CBS News) The saga of Apple vs. Samsung may not be over anytime soon. This time the South Korean electronics giant is reportedly seeks to cripple Apple by blocking the airways.
According to a recent report by the Korea Times, Samsung says it will "immediately sue Apple" if the company releases a products that uses long-term evolution (LTE) technology.
LTE is the technical name for what is often marketed at the 4G LTE network. Currently, most smartphones use the 3G network to access wireless data, but many will eventually be upgraded to a 4G LTE network.
Citing Thompson-Reuters data, the Times says that Samsung has the third-highest number of LTE patents at 12.2 percent - Nokia tops the list with 18.9 percent, followed by Qualcomm at 12.5 percent.
The reported threat of a lawsuit is only the latest in a series of events to transpire between the two companies. Samsung and Apple just wrapped up a heated court battle over patent infringement.
Apple sued Samsung for allegedly knocking off its popular iPhone and iPad. The computer giant sought $2.5 billion in damages.
Samsung denied the charges and countersued Apple for $422 million. A nine-person federal jury in San Jose, Calif. ruled in favor of Apple on August 24 and awarded the company with $1.05 billion in damages.
Apple will also seek a ban on eight Samsung products: Galaxy S 4G, Galaxy S2 AT&T, Galaxy S2, Galaxy S2 T-Mobile, Galaxy S2 Epic 4G, Galaxy S Showcase, Droid Charge and Galaxy Prevail. A court date is set for December 6.
Just a behind the scenes explanation about Samsung's patent percentage in LTE standard.
The way these things work is that a group of companies get together to create the next generation specification so that products from each company works together (think MPEG video, AAC audio codec, etc.). The goal is twofold:
1. Accomplish the business and technical goals of the next generation standard, in this case, making wireless transmission much faster.
2. Stuff as many of your patented or patent pending technology in the standard as possible. With some minor exception, standards setting organizations do not require any disclosure of patents or cost of licensing the same prior to creation of standard. The only obligation is to provide licensing to all comers without discrimination. I.e. the license cost must be the same whether your friend company or enemy wants a license. How much that cost is, can be determined by you.
Here is the other key thing: only the movers and shakers at the time of the standard setting get to sit at the table. Guess who was there: Samsung, Nokia, Qualcomm, Motorola, etc. Guess who was not there. Apple, Google, etc. Guess who has stuffed patents in there. The former companies. Guess who has not. Apple. In other words, the old guard got to set the standards that the new guard is using now.
Usually the standard setting process leads to a "patent pool" where companies get together and provide a one-stop shop for the group. Such is the case with MPEG technologies today for example. LTE does not have one yet as past attempts have failed. It is the patent pool process which adjudicates who has what percentage of patents and hence is entitled to that much of the royalties. In that regard I am surprised that there is a precise figure put forward for Samsung's share.
The way these things work is that a group of companies get together to create the next generation specification so that products from each company works together (think MPEG video, AAC audio codec, etc.). The goal is twofold:
1. Accomplish the business and technical goals of the next generation standard, in this case, making wireless transmission much faster.
2. Stuff as many of your patented or patent pending technology in the standard as possible. With some minor exception, standards setting organizations do not require any disclosure of patents or cost of licensing the same prior to creation of standard. The only obligation is to provide licensing to all comers without discrimination. I.e. the license cost must be the same whether your friend company or enemy wants a license. How much that cost is, can be determined by you.
Here is the other key thing: only the movers and shakers at the time of the standard setting get to sit at the table. Guess who was there: Samsung, Nokia, Qualcomm, Motorola, etc. Guess who was not there. Apple, Google, etc. Guess who has stuffed patents in there. The former companies. Guess who has not. Apple. In other words, the old guard got to set the standards that the new guard is using now.
Usually the standard setting process leads to a "patent pool" where companies get together and provide a one-stop shop for the group. Such is the case with MPEG technologies today for example. LTE does not have one yet as past attempts have failed. It is the patent pool process which adjudicates who has what percentage of patents and hence is entitled to that much of the royalties. In that regard I am surprised that there is a precise figure put forward for Samsung's share.
Amir,
So Samsung's patents are within the scope of the main LTE patent, correct? And, if someone (like Apple) were to license ($$$) the LTE patent for use in its products, who would it be paying? Who owns the main patent for the whole spec?
My point is, could I just pay someone else (not Samsung) involved in the original patent, one of the other old guard players, and have legal access to the patent? Or am I required to pay each and every one of the old guards, since they have bits of their own within the main patent?
alexandre
So Samsung's patents are within the scope of the main LTE patent, correct? And, if someone (like Apple) were to license ($$$) the LTE patent for use in its products, who would it be paying? Who owns the main patent for the whole spec?
My point is, could I just pay someone else (not Samsung) involved in the original patent, one of the other old guard players, and have legal access to the patent? Or am I required to pay each and every one of the old guards, since they have bits of their own within the main patent?
alexandre
Think of the patent pool as a special purpose vehicle. You pay that entity and that entity pays out to the stakeholders. You don't pay directly to any of them. At least that's how I understand it.
There is little chance of that unfortunately. The connector is a great tool in monetizing the accessory business. By using a proprietary connection, you force companies to pay to license it.
Hi
If LTE is a standard then there is a known and fixed amount to pay. Can a company refuses payment? OR is i simply a ploy .. I see this as a dangerous move from Samsung. Such use of a "standard" dilute the notion of standard... That would be like Sony refusing their standard to Toshiba for BluRay players ...
If LTE is a standard then there is a known and fixed amount to pay. Can a company refuses payment? OR is i simply a ploy .. I see this as a dangerous move from Samsung. Such use of a "standard" dilute the notion of standard... That would be like Sony refusing their standard to Toshiba for BluRay players ...
Yes there is - Micro USB. All smartphones use it. Well, all smartphones except for you-know-who.
I'm not really got to spend the time list the countless phones out there that are supposedly "Micro USB" but really aren't...
Anyway, Apple uses that connector for more than charging. As such, it's a bit difficult to shoehorn all that functionality into a standard it doesn't control (USB), a lot more difficult at least than just creating your own.
alexandre
Based on reported data, yes.
Likely many companies have patents in the spec. I just searched and found the source of Samsung percentage number: http://www.networkworld.com/news/2012/042612-lte-patent-wars-258713.html
"The study found that Samsung held a total of 79 seminal LTE patents, or roughly 12.15% of all 650 such patents, while Qualcomm held 81, or roughly 12.46% of all seminal patents. By comparison, Intel was the next-highest holder of seminal LTE patents, with its 36, accounting for 5.54% of all seminal patents.
Samsung and Qualcomm hold a similarly dominant space in terms of overall LTE patent holdings, iRunway found, as Samsung held 9.36% and Qualcomm held 5.65%."
In some rare cases, another company can be the agent. Dolby for example used to be the licensor for AAC on behalf of multiple companies. Right now, as I read the news, anyone wanting to get into the market needs to go around getting separate licenses. The companies who created the standard though may have cross licensing deals with each other meaning they don't need to get a license.
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