New TAD M700 & M700S
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Weightier sound and better control.
I feel that part of it possibly there is more mid bass, hence giving more weight and the sensation of the authority and presence, on top of lower noise floor of m700s.
I am not good in describing sound. hope that makes sense.
I have listened to D600/C600/M700/R1 with complete skogrand stravinsky cables. cables were half the price of complete TAD system.
in my idea M700 is fluid , transparent and powerful.
i do not have any idea about how TAD M700 will sound with other speakers but the complete TAD system was an shocking experience to me.
in my idea M700 is fluid , transparent and powerful.
i do not have any idea about how TAD M700 will sound with other speakers but the complete TAD system was an shocking experience to me.
I may be the friend that King is writing about. I have the TAD Evolution system as can be seen in my signature and have been living with it for over 3 years. I consider myself immensely blessed.
On the R1, I've heard them many times at my dealers before he sold them off right before Covid. The best I heard them was with the M600 monos and they are able to control the speaker, especially the bass, in a very pleasant and sought after way and I though the system was really magic. Only got to hear that twice before the dealer rep took them back, but I thought they were really good. I have not compared them to my M2500, but think they are the next level up. I've also heard the R1s with D'Agostino momentum a lot and think it very good, but not on the level of the M600s with the matching preamp. Also heard with ARC 750SE, very nice but I preferred either the M600 or Momentum.
In regards to the Burmester 909, I heard it with my E-1s (that first/second/third demo convinced me and I purchased the E-1s a few months later) using a Burmester pre and phono pre and big Clear Audio table in an approximately $300k setup with Nordost Valhalla 2 and it was glorious. I don't have the room for that amp and it was not in my budget either. The M2500 was best to all other amps or integrated's I compared it to four years ago from Luxman, Pass, Burmester $25k integrated, and maybe another I forget.
Finally, don't be afraid of TAD Class D, for me it became the end of the road. I've heard A, A/B, D, etc. It plays with the best for sure.
TAD M2500 is class D but TAD M600 and M700 are not Class D.
TAD M600/M700 use patented circuit of pioneer and it works like Class AB . The outputstage does not use voltage negative feedback , the damping factor is around 200.
Circuits are fully balance and the measurement shows M600 could deliver 2700w to 1ohm.
listening to many amplifiers with TAD loudspeakers convinced me the best match is TAD pre/power.
TAD electronics are as impressive as TAD loudspeakers
TAD M600/M700 use patented circuit of pioneer and it works like Class AB . The outputstage does not use voltage negative feedback , the damping factor is around 200.
Circuits are fully balance and the measurement shows M600 could deliver 2700w to 1ohm.
listening to many amplifiers with TAD loudspeakers convinced me the best match is TAD pre/power.
TAD electronics are as impressive as TAD loudspeakers
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I read somewhere that M600/M700 use this patented circuit like what Amir mentioned.
US4558288A - Emitter-follower type SEPP circuit - Google Patents
An emitter-follower type SEPP circuit in which, by detecting idle currents and distortion components and feeding such signals back to an error amplifier in a real time mode, a very stable circuit with little crossover distortion is provided. The input signal is applied through opposite-polarity...
patents.google.com
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@kimurastanley
I appreciate the clarification, thanks.
"listening to many amplifiers with TAD loudspeakers convinced me the best match is TAD pre/power." Great summation and what I think I was trying to get at.
"TAD electronics are as impressive as TAD loudspeakers" Couldn't agree more.
@kimurastanley
I appreciate the clarification, thanks.
"listening to many amplifiers with TAD loudspeakers convinced me the best match is TAD pre/power." Great summation and what I think I was trying to get at.
"TAD electronics are as impressive as TAD loudspeakers" Couldn't agree more.
@kimurastanley
I know this isn't the right place to address this, but I've read somewhere that you've tried and/or liked Hijiri cables. It'd be great if you have something positive to comment over on the Hijiri Users Thread on A'gon.
TAD M700 circuit is not complex , few stages, simple, minimal signal path patented by pioneer in the USA.
The TAD M700 does not use lots of voltage negative feedback and It just uses a small amount of current feedback to be able fully control TAD R1 woofers.
TAD M700 total Power Supply Capacity is around 5500VA, it is 10 times bigger that the RMS Power So the transient power all are in access by TAD.
If you want to compare the TAD M700 to other SS designs you should consider the highest quality amplifiers like Spectral, FM , CH ...
The TAD M700 does not use lots of voltage negative feedback and It just uses a small amount of current feedback to be able fully control TAD R1 woofers.
TAD M700 total Power Supply Capacity is around 5500VA, it is 10 times bigger that the RMS Power So the transient power all are in access by TAD.
If you want to compare the TAD M700 to other SS designs you should consider the highest quality amplifiers like Spectral, FM , CH ...
It was an honor to have TAD President to visit my humble listening area/living room last week.
Tarutani-san is extremely humble and nice. He provided a few suggestions on possible ways to improve my setup. We also had nice chat about TAD operation and some interesting facts of TAD listening room reference system.
Looking forward to host him again when he travels to Singapore in the future.
Congratulations! You have a lovely system!
As a UK- based CR1 MK II owner, I would be interested if you could please expand on the advice to improve your system, that you received from Taritani-san.
Thank you
Steve
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Hi Steve, you have a lovely system too!
His general advice is applicable to all speakers which is the speaker placement. My speaker placement is not optimal and is a trade-off between listening area and family living space. And I have limited space to play with placement. He also suggested to try diffusers at the side walls beside speakers.
For TAD electronics, he suggested simpler may be better. I am wondering if the tweaks I am using ie grounding etc would alter the TAD sound. Will try removing the tweaks and reassess the impact when I have free time.
Some facts I found interesting:
1. TAD still using R1 first gen as the reference speaker since 2007. The rationale is that if the system sounds good with new electronics, the subsequent newer generation of spk will sound even better.
2. The best cabling for TAD is Tiglon and the best isolation is G-clef. He emphasised that this is from TAD point of view and should not be generalised to all users.
3. He is the designer of TAD D-1000TX and TAD remote control.
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