Lampizator Genya

[Mjj16]

...wasn't this at the heart of the matter to begin with?

Customers wanted a product, which was limited by the harvesting of parts from a trade-up. Lampi determined there was a way to meet the demand by ordering more boards and building more Genyas...to satisfy customers.

I suppose on one hand, there will be very happy customers who can now purchase a Genya, which was previous not possible. Then there will be customers who are happy with their Genyas, yet somehow unhappy(?) because their perception of being "special" by having a 1-of-50 product is now "diminished" by having a 1-of-100 product.

So the question is why did Lampizator box themselves in by saying it’s limited to 50? Don’t. Simply say first batch. Simply say we will start with 50 but may make more if we can and will explore. It may have affected customers deciding to buy and that marketing in many jurisdictions is unlawful. Focus on fixing the marketing.

 

[wil]

Holy moley, given the ridiculous marketing claims, exaggerations, and simple BS that gets bandied around daily in this business, I see this issue with Lampizator to be less than insignificant. Is it really worth calling out the lawyers? YMMV, as they say…

 

[Steve Williams]

I see the issue that if you're truly bothered just don't buy another Lampizator and call it your. personal vendetta and be done with it.And to demand monetary compensation from Lampizator ,I perceive as nothing short of black mail but Im not a lawyer.

These topics should be dealt with directly to Lampizator because the argument now has been stated and restated ad nauseam. I think everyone gets it

 

[Mark212121]

I see the issue that if you're truly bothered just don't buy another Lampizator and call it your. personal vendetta and be done with it.And to demand monetary compensation from Lampizator ,I perceive as nothing short of black mail but Im not a lawyer.

These topics should be dealt with directly to Lampizator because the argument now has been stated and restated ad nauseam. I think everyone gets it

I agree, Steve. As soon as posters raised possible legal matters and compensation, they should not have posted further, but should have dealt with Lampizator directly. I don't think it's right to post such things on a public forum and get others involved in one's personal grievances.

 

[Puroplatino]

I agree, Steve. As soon as posters raised possible legal matters and compensation, they should not have posted further, but should have dealt with Lampizator directly. I don't think it's right to post such things on a public forum and get others involved in one's personal grievances.

Agreed

 

[dminches]

I’m not proposing refunding these buyers anything and I don’t believe they are looking for compensation. What I think they want is to be acknowledged and to feel heard.

That is not true. @walterboss said “I think Lampizator should be reaching out to existing Genya owners and make amends somehow. Either a partial refund or some kind of upgrade. It's up to them.” Some people want compensation.

 

[Puroplatino]

This isn't a law forum. Have your attorney contact Lampizator's attorney.

I don’t think anybody should incourage litigation

That is not true. @walterboss said “I think Lampizator should be reaching out to existing Genya owners and make amends somehow. Either a partial refund or some kind of upgrade. It's up to them.” Some people want compensation.

I think he wants to be acknowledged at a minimum. Compensation isn’t what he’s after. Trust me I know him. He wants things to be made right and that should be between them. Not lawyers and not us chiming in. I finally addressed this because everyone but @Lucasz has spoken on it and I think if Lucasz spoke to the people directly interested this will end well for everyone. We all love LampizatOr and just want to hear from the boss, not everyone else. I’m not saying we shouldn’t discuss it, quite the contrary, but I feel if we can put the participants together we have done our job in good faith.

 

[Lukasz "Lampizator" Fikus]

This is the stupidest fanboy take I’ve ever heard, and isn’t it your damn forum? I mean seriously why have a forum if people don’t have a place to debate the pro’s and cons of gear?

If somebody has a grievance it’s best to have it be made public, especially if perhaps their dealers didn’t want to deal with it privately? I mean what do you know about the situation?

Let me say my peace then feel free to ban me or leave whatever power trip comment you feel is adequate…

I facilitated the sale of 3 Genya models in a week for a dealer friend of mine. All 3 of the people who purchased them are upset at the fact nobody wants to address this issue.

Not privately and not publicly, so I feel like I need to interject as an intellectually honest broker of ideas…
Before anyone wants to criticize me I am damn sure I own more LampizatOr DAC’s than almost anyone here, or close.

I have Horizon, 360, Pacific 3 and Poseidon and have owned many many of their products over the years. I am a loyalist of Lampi ever was one.

I have brought many dozens of people to the brand and introduced the brand to Koji of Convince Me Audio where he has teamed up with G Point Audio and is a real ambassador for the brand. (Sorry to NameDrop Koji)

I think when you say an item is going to be limited to 40/50 pieces it created a situation where many buyers purchased believing if they didn’t act fast they wouldn’t have been able to get one, also believing it was a limited run, which is (EXACTLY WHAT IT WAS MARKETED TO BE) these buyers believed when they wanted to move up the Lampi ladder as we all do, they would have more easily sold their DAC’s to allow them to jump up in the lineup.

Now you can agree or disagree but to stifle discussion especially on your own damn forum, well I find that ironic to say the least.

I’m not proposing refunding these buyers anything and I don’t believe they are looking for compensation. What I think they want is to be acknowledged and to feel heard.

All it would take is for Lucasz to publicly address these issues and call them a miscommunication. Perhaps even explain what I plausibly feel to be what happened in this case…

The parts used in Horizon and now Genya were discontinued and became hard to find and wouldn’t be sustainable and thus they said only 40 units would be made and spare parts for an extra 10 units bringing it to a total of 50. Perhaps they have now found a surplus of the chip or whatever parts that were in limited supply, and all it would take is an explanation, or some kind of acknowledgement or maybe a T-Shirt but most importantly these people just want to be heard.

Avoiding the conversation and having people come defend Lucasz as though he needs to be defended is some middle school bullshit if I’ve ever seen it.

Lucasz is a gentleman and if perhaps we let him address these concerns rather than answering for him this might get solved and the loyal LampizatOr customers will be satisfied.

Lastly anyone suggesting “if they owned a business” “they wouldn’t need these customers” obviously does not own a business”, because not only is that the most ignorant take I’ve ever heard as it relates to business, and I own more than one business, so take it from me, these things should be addressed and resolved in public. This shows those who are not yet customers how you do business and furthers your reach and trust in general in the brand itself. Daylight is the best disinfectant.

With this I wish everyone all the best.

I will reply but slowly, because it is my first day of vacations and I am off grid

 

[Puroplatino]

I will reply but slowly, because it is my first day of vacations and I am off grid

You are a gentleman, and as I knew when you had a moment you would speak on this.

I hope the waters are nice and the views are even better.

Enjoy your well deserved time off.

All the best.

 

[dminches]

I don’t think anybody should incourage litigatiin

I think he wants to be acknowledged at a minimum. Compensation isn’t what he’s after. Trust me I know him. He wants things to be made right and that should be between them. Not lawyers and not us chiming in. I finally addressed this because everyone but @Lucasz has spoken on it and I think if Lucasz spoke to the people directly interested this will end well for everyone. We all love LampizatOr and just want to hear from the boss, not everyone else. I’m not saying we shouldn’t discuss it, quite the contrary, but I feel if we can put the participants together we have done our job in good faith.

My comment was tongue in check.

 

[Lukasz "Lampizator" Fikus]

Hello everyone, this is my statement about the LIMITED GENYA matter.
First of all let me say that I am totally SHOCKED by this being an issue - perhaps I should have known better but I didn't. I never had this kind of situation in my life.
First - let me clarify the term LIMITED because I feel like there is a huge, gigantic misunderstanding.
Andy Warhol used to make art which for the first time in history of art was being cloned by way of silkscreen prints. To keep the high value for the potential buyers they numbered and limited the copies. Similarily my friend from Oregon Christopher makes photographs, which sell for 10 grand a print and they are strictly numbered. Hence LIMITED. Rolex makes many releases of watches for collectors, like Winter Olympics Special 100 piece limited or Rolex Fastnet Reggata limited to 10 pieces with distinct colors, dials, boxing, diplomma and certificate. They increase value among collectors after the day of purchase.
I am neither Rolex nor Warhol, and also I am in the business of building DACs, I am not in the business of NOT BUILDING DACs.
I never ever suggested or implied that this a limited edition in the sense of Warhol. That the DAC has any emblem, certificate, any numbering scheme, any decor, different look or better caps, that it is like a Anniversary, Birthday, or any other form or shape of valued limitation.
ON THE CONTRARY the limitation was clearly declared as out of necessity, out of poor situation. We dont even know if we have 40, because the boards were removed a year ago and nobody knows before installation and implementation - if they even work or not. Also new Horizons keep coming for the upgrade - and they may - or may not - add new boards. I did not know if people will even like Genya, its look, feel, price, sound and "recycled" story. But luckily this is a best seller and people loved it.
Now fast forward - about a week ago on this very forum our POTENTIAL buyer wrote: "I love the product but I am not gonna buy it because soon it will be discontinued and I dont buy one-timers."
I felt very sad. Because by nature I want to please and I am sad when people are upset.
Now back rewind - 2 years ago - we run out of parts for making Horizon 1 and there was no more job for my engineer who developed and made the Horizon1 engine with me. He didnt feel like changing course and he was in retirement age so I let him go. I waved goodbye to Horizon1 forever. It triggered the development of H360 engine and new engineer being involved.
The old Horizon1 firmware and hardware engineer was M.I.A. for 2 years and then the Genya concept was born in my head.
When I learned that potential buyers walk away from me because it is not an ongoing, open project - I managed to contact my old engineer (swallowing the grudges and bitter past) and I asked if he thinks he could make a small comeback and make me 10 more boards. To which he agreed. I told him how people are waiting for more and asking for the project resurrection.
I was so happy! I could go back to the forum and announce the good news! Halleluyah ! We dont have to wait fort the inevitable death of this nice project - it can LIVE ON!

So I quickly announced - that Genya will continue, I dont have any idea how long but at least for another batch of 10 or hopefully more. Also because the Aphrodite (our new DAC) will cause a fresh influx of Horizon1 for refit.
If ANYBODY felt - that I LAID A MALICIOUS TRAP to hustle money from collectors hoping for a closed number limited run of a collectible DAC - I am SORRY. You COMPLETELY misunderstood the message and the implications.
If you feel conned into buying something you would not buy - contact me and I will organize reselling it to people waiting in line for Genya who are happy that it lives on.

I am EXTREMELY flattered that you mistook me for Rolex. Perhaps it is time for me to acknowledge it. I am just a humble man.
And lastly - the guy making my boards in the end DID NOT DELIVER so I am back in the 40 or 50 scenario. Or God knows how many.

 

[Puroplatino]

Hello everyone, this is my statement about the LIMITED GENYA matter.
First of all let me say that I am totally SHOCKED by this being an issue - perhaps I should have known better but I didn't. I never had this kind of situation in my life.
First - let me clarify the term LIMITED because I feel like there is a huge, gigantic misunderstanding.
Andy Warhol used to make art which for the first time in history of art was being cloned by way of silkscreen prints. To keep the high value for the potential buyers they numbered and limited the copies. Similarily my friend from Oregon Christopher makes photographs, which sell for 10 grand a print and they are strictly numbered. Hence LIMITED. Rolex makes many releases of watches for collectors, like Winter Olympics Special 100 piece limited or Rolex Fastnet Reggata limited to 10 pieces with distinct colors, dials, boxing, diplomma and certificate. They increase value among collectors after the day of purchase.
I am neither Rolex nor Warhol, and also I am in the business of building DACs, I am not in the business of NOT BUILDING DACs.
I never ever suggested or implied that this a limited edition in the sense of Warhol. That the DAC has any emblem, certificate, any numbering scheme, any decor, different look or better caps, that it is like a Anniversary, Birthday, or any other form or shape of valued limitation.
ON THE CONTRARY the limitation was clearly declared as out of necessity, out of poor situation. We dont even know if we have 40, because the boards were removed a year ago and nobody knows before installation and implementation - if they even work or not. Also new Horizons keep coming for the upgrade - and they may - or may not - add new boards. I did not know if people will even like Genya, its look, feel, price, sound and "recycled" story. But luckily this is a best seller and people loved it.
Now fast forward - about a week ago on this very forum our POTENTIAL buyer wrote: "I love the product but I am not gonna buy it because soon it will be discontinued and I dont buy one-timers."
I felt very sad. Because by nature I want to please and I am sad when people are upset.
Now back rewind - 2 years ago - we run out of parts for making Horizon 1 and there was no more job for my engineer who developed and made the Horizon1 engine with me. He didnt feel like changing course and he was in retirement age so I let him go. I waved goodbye to Horizon1 forever. It triggered the development of H360 engine and new engineer being involved.
The old Horizon1 firmware and hardware engineer was M.I.A. for 2 years and then the Genya concept was born in my head.
When I learned that potential buyers walk away from me because it is not an ongoing, open project - I managed to contact my old engineer (swallowing the grudges and bitter past) and I asked if he thinks he could make a small comeback and make me 10 more boards. To which he agreed. I told him how people are waiting for more and asking for the project resurrection.
I was so happy! I could go back to the forum and announce the good news! Halleluyah ! We dont have to wait fort the inevitable death of this nice project - it can LIVE ON!

So I quickly announced - that Genya will continue, I dont have any idea how long but at least for another batch of 10 or hopefully more. Also because the Aphrodite (our new DAC) will cause a fresh influx of Horizon1 for refit.
If ANYBODY felt - that I LAID A MALICIOUS TRAP to hustle money from collectors hoping for a closed number limited run of a collectible DAC - I am SORRY. You COMPLETELY misunderstood the message and the implications.
If you feel conned into buying something you would not buy - contact me and I will organize reselling it to people waiting in line for Genya who are happy that it lives on.

I am EXTREMELY flattered that you mistook me for Rolex. Perhaps it is time for me to acknowledge it. I am just a humble man.
And lastly - the guy making my boards in the end DID NOT DELIVER so I am back in the 40 or 50 scenario. Or God knows how many.

I’d like to clarify I didn’t believe nor do I think anyone else believed you “Laid a malicious trap” We know you are a man of integrity.

It seems there was a miscommunication and I just felt it was best to address it and clear it up

Thank you for the quick response.

 

[Mjj16]

I’d like to clarify I didn’t believe nor do I think anyone else believed you “Laid a malicious trap” We know you are a man of integrity.

It seems there was a miscommunication and I just felt it was best to address it and clear it up

Thank you for the quick response.

Hello everyone, this is my statement about the LIMITED GENYA matter.
First of all let me say that I am totally SHOCKED by this being an issue - perhaps I should have known better but I didn't. I never had this kind of situation in my life.
First - let me clarify the term LIMITED because I feel like there is a huge, gigantic misunderstanding.
Andy Warhol used to make art which for the first time in history of art was being cloned by way of silkscreen prints. To keep the high value for the potential buyers they numbered and limited the copies. Similarily my friend from Oregon Christopher makes photographs, which sell for 10 grand a print and they are strictly numbered. Hence LIMITED. Rolex makes many releases of watches for collectors, like Winter Olympics Special 100 piece limited or Rolex Fastnet Reggata limited to 10 pieces with distinct colors, dials, boxing, diplomma and certificate. They increase value among collectors after the day of purchase.
I am neither Rolex nor Warhol, and also I am in the business of building DACs, I am not in the business of NOT BUILDING DACs.
I never ever suggested or implied that this a limited edition in the sense of Warhol. That the DAC has any emblem, certificate, any numbering scheme, any decor, different look or better caps, that it is like a Anniversary, Birthday, or any other form or shape of valued limitation.
ON THE CONTRARY the limitation was clearly declared as out of necessity, out of poor situation. We dont even know if we have 40, because the boards were removed a year ago and nobody knows before installation and implementation - if they even work or not. Also new Horizons keep coming for the upgrade - and they may - or may not - add new boards. I did not know if people will even like Genya, its look, feel, price, sound and "recycled" story. But luckily this is a best seller and people loved it.
Now fast forward - about a week ago on this very forum our POTENTIAL buyer wrote: "I love the product but I am not gonna buy it because soon it will be discontinued and I dont buy one-timers."
I felt very sad. Because by nature I want to please and I am sad when people are upset.
Now back rewind - 2 years ago - we run out of parts for making Horizon 1 and there was no more job for my engineer who developed and made the Horizon1 engine with me. He didnt feel like changing course and he was in retirement age so I let him go. I waved goodbye to Horizon1 forever. It triggered the development of H360 engine and new engineer being involved.
The old Horizon1 firmware and hardware engineer was M.I.A. for 2 years and then the Genya concept was born in my head.
When I learned that potential buyers walk away from me because it is not an ongoing, open project - I managed to contact my old engineer (swallowing the grudges and bitter past) and I asked if he thinks he could make a small comeback and make me 10 more boards. To which he agreed. I told him how people are waiting for more and asking for the project resurrection.
I was so happy! I could go back to the forum and announce the good news! Halleluyah ! We dont have to wait fort the inevitable death of this nice project - it can LIVE ON!

So I quickly announced - that Genya will continue, I dont have any idea how long but at least for another batch of 10 or hopefully more. Also because the Aphrodite (our new DAC) will cause a fresh influx of Horizon1 for refit.
If ANYBODY felt - that I LAID A MALICIOUS TRAP to hustle money from collectors hoping for a closed number limited run of a collectible DAC - I am SORRY. You COMPLETELY misunderstood the message and the implications.
If you feel conned into buying something you would not buy - contact me and I will organize reselling it to people waiting in line for Genya who are happy that it lives on.

I am EXTREMELY flattered that you mistook me for Rolex. Perhaps it is time for me to acknowledge it. I am just a humble man.
And lastly - the guy making my boards in the end DID NOT DELIVER so I am back in the 40 or 50 scenario. Or God knows how many.

I think this is a very helpful response Lukasz and having a number of Lampizator products myself including the wonderful H360 it’s great to see you getting on top of the miscommunication about Genya. From what I understand from those affected they don’t think you set a malicious trap for them to buy it. They were confused with the miscommunication and disappointed as they follow your word and it wasn’t rectified. Hopefully this communication helps. I wouldn’t compare Lampizator to Rolex btw which is a much weaker brand.. A better analogy is Ferrari of dacs (who also have to be careful marketing limited editions and are very focused on how they do as they tell me). I do think you should recognize now how people are thinking about the Lampizator brand and focus on every word you say/ distribute as the founder of it. That’s the league you are now playing in with your wonderful products. Well done!

 

[fbhifi]

I think this is a very helpful response Lukasz and having a number of Lampizator products myself including the wonderful H360 it’s great to see you getting on top of the miscommunication about Genya. From what I understand from those affected they don’t think you set a malicious trap for them to buy it. They were confused with the miscommunication and disappointed as they follow your word and it wasn’t rectified. Hopefully this communication helps. I wouldn’t compare Lampizator to Rolex btw which is a much weaker brand.. A better analogy is Ferrari of dacs (who also have to be careful marketing limited editions and are very focused on how they do as they tell me). I do think you should recognize now how people are thinking about the Lampizator brand and focus on every word you say/ distribute as the founder of it. That’s the league you are now playing in with your wonderful products. Well done!

Enzo Ferrari is quoted as saying “Ferrari will always deliver one car less than the market demand.”

This may well, ultimately, be the case with the Genya.

 

[Mjj16]

Enzo Ferrari is quoted as saying “Ferrari will always deliver one car less than the market demand.”

This may well, ultimately, be the case with the Genya.

Ha yes and he was a sharp character apparently from the stories I have been told and even in today’s world with consumer legislation that would be fine. Maybe that is the line Lukasz should stick with and would be correct marketing and give him flex on build numbers.

 

[fbhifi]

Maybe that is the line Lukasz should stick with and would be correct marketing and give him flex on build numbers.

Exactly!

 

[Lukasz "Lampizator" Fikus]

Ha yes and he was a sharp character apparently from the stories I have been told and even in today’s world with consumer legislation that would be fine. Maybe that is the line Lukasz should stick with and would be correct marketing and give him flex on build numbers.

My middle name is Enzo ;-)

 

[Mjj16]

Exactly!

Yes I think the takeaway from all this has to be we want Lukasz focused on making these incredible dacs and pushing the brand forward not having to deal with issues around marketing which raises issues, time and potentially cost. Lukasz won’t want to deal with that crap as it sucks up time money and energy. Seen it before. That’s the advice we should all be giving whether we think the laws are stupid or not around marketing rather than

My middle name is Enzo ;-)

Lukasz Lampizator Enzo Fikus… has a great ring to it. On your product road map perhaps there is room for the ENZO Dac or AMP? Numbers limited to one less than demand?

 

[Chameleon Audio]

Genya DAC plays like the best Triode tube out there . I dont care if is Limited or not , i dont want win money of that, because i have won psyhotherapy time

 

[tedwoods]

Lampi must be doing something right (too right in fact, to be getting all this nit-picking over nothing...). I can't help it, but it kinda reminds me of the tourist who sued his travel agents' for breach of contract because they arranged for an upgraded room at no extra cost...