I don't think Ked has room for them, he would have to settle for the Devore Chimpanzees !Why aren’t you buying a pair and doing the same thing?
I don't think Ked has room for them, he would have to settle for the Devore Chimpanzees !Why aren’t you buying a pair and doing the same thing?
I have heard Wilsons sound good actually..….but admittedly they are very set up finicky, more than some others comparable in terms of price. i know of more people in singapore who have moved away from Wilsons to other brands than the other way around. And for people who may not be aware, these are ‘listeners’ with means probably way beyond that of most people including those in this forum, especially considering the kind of houses they live in ( the average house in singapore costs WAY above that in the US). So affordability is not the issue……the average hi fi ‘listener’ we speak of in singapore is pretty well heeled.The thing that the anti-Wilson guys don’t get is that from the Sasha up, set up is customized for a specific listener. The higher in the line you go, the more likely it is that that listener wasn’t you.
Paragon does a really great job of set up for demos, and personalized tuning for the post purchase installation. You will not be disappointed if you buy your Wilsons from them.
But if you just walk into a room at a show, Wilsons are unlikely to show their best because the set up of each individual box was based on some generic average expected listener that will walk in.
This is why DAW originally insisted on installing his speakers in your room, for you. He knew that by allowing the different boxes to move, that most set up guys would muff it.
Hi, Lloyd, I knew someone would ask me that…..Very interesting, Sujay! I know the guys at Absolute Sounds (who also created their artisanal 'Ten' which consists of Devore, Robert Koda and Elysium) really like the Devore.
Intriguing on your new speakers...what speakers do you have on order? Devore Orangutan Reference by any chance? https://devorefidelity.com/oref/
Wilsons are NOT phase coherent…Bass performance, resolution, and phase coherency.
Congrats! Very exciting. Look forward to reading all about them when you get them in!Hi, Lloyd, I knew someone would ask me that…..
I’m buying the Marten Parker Trio diamonds! really like what they do with a smaller footprint, size and weight…. The Devore reference is too rich for my blood….for now
Yes, I am familiar with the market in s’pore.I have heard Wilsons sound good actually..….but admittedly they are very set up finicky, more than some others comparable in terms of price. i know of more people in singapore who have moved away from Wilsons to other brands than the other way around. And for people who may not be aware, these are ‘listeners’ with means probably way beyond that of most people including those in this forum, especially considering the kind of houses they live in ( the average house in singapore costs WAY above that in the US). So affordability is not the issue……the average hi fi ‘listener’ we speak of in singapore is pretty well heeled.
The O/96 are fantastic speakers at $12K but the Alexia V are a different level as they should be at $70K. The O/Reference at $85K is a better comparison imho.yes, I agree the O/96 are real value without a shred of doubt.. frankly, they are meant to be a stop gap before I get my speakers which are on order. I was not expecting the devores to be this good especially with my Burmester monos. What this tells me is to take stereotype statements like “ O/96 don’t play well with SS” with a bag of salt. They are downright fantastic! And yes they are more open sounding than the Aviors and better or equal in almost every aspect except bass extension.
in the coming days I will be trying a first watt and another low power tube amp and let you guys know what I think. In all probability they might sound better……..but one never knows.
i Haven’t heard the Alexia V so can’t comment. And properly set up, I’m sure they might be better than the O/96 In my set up. The question is how much better? The difference in price is staggering…..
for one, I can say with certainty that if I were comparing the Avior and the O/96 today, all things considered, I will take the O/96 without hesitation. Considering that I am pairing them with my Burmester monos may sound like sacrilege to some, but all I can say to them is they probably haven’t heard how good they can sound with quality SS gear……..my Burmester set up is dead quiet I must admit, which helps the cause…..
When all is said and done, all I can say is im learning……and of course, taking my friend Kedar’s counsel a bit more seriously
Wilsons are NOT phase coherent…
Wilsons are NOT phase coherent…
It may be more complex but also possible.For some reason I assume that multi-driver, complex crossover designs make it difficult, if not impossible, to maintain phase coherence.
Thanks!!Congrats! Very exciting. Look forward to reading all about them when you get them in!
With a small room you could buy the O96 and be pretty happy forever. It doesn't do things that are important to me, but what it does right takes you pretty far.
Why aren’t you buying a pair and doing the same thing?
The O/96 are fantastic speakers at $12K but the Alexia V are a different level as they should be at $70K.
I am with you on this one…… the O/96 does scale and space that completely belies its size. I am playing them in a living room that is almost 600 SQ feet and it fills every inch of that better than my previous speaker.Spoken like a guy who has not really heard the Devore enough, maybe once. It needs a big room, not small. You need space from the front wall and sides. You react visually, i.e. Because the speaker is small, it needs a small room.
The things "that are not important or you". It does size and scale better than most tall speakers. In your mind a 7 foot speaker does a large scale because it starts at 7 foot. That is just visual based and works with poor recordings, which do not scale. If the recording is good, the scale of the recording is projected upwards and outwards from the speakers, and the scale changes with the rise and fall of the orchestra. Devores are better than foo-fi speakers at doing this. The scale also needs to be projected with coherence and proportionality, rather than sounding like 3 different speakers joined together to give the impression of extension. Not saying a tall speaker like Martin Logans or good restored apogees cannot do this, but just height cannot achieve that. Unless you are listening to poor quality LPs, which do not have scale on them to be projected.
Yes, and to do so you have to use first order crossovers. Wilson wires the midrange drivers, at least on the Alexia, in inverse phase from the tweeter and woofers. You can see this in the Stereophile review of the Alexia 2 and JA even states in the text of the measurements section. When you look at the impulse response plot, you can see that the midrange is negative going, which indicates A) it is not a first order crossover, which is necessary to have a phase/time coherent speaker passively and B) you typically invert the midrange when using a 2nd order crossover and that means the mid is sucking in when the other drivers are pushing out. All the moving of individual drivers that Wilson allows for will not make the speaker phase/time coherent.For some reason I assume that multi-driver, complex crossover designs make it difficult, if not impossible, to maintain phase coherence.
No, they are not that either...sorry.I misspoke. I meant to say time coherent.
What doesn't the O96 do for you?The O96 is totally not my kind of speaker (a small, low-sitting, box) but it is my standard, and standing, recommendation for a small box speaker.* I think it has wonderful tone, and it is natural-sounding and "musical." I also like that you can drive it with modest SET amplifiers. It just sounds "right."
With a small room you could buy the O96 and be pretty happy forever. It doesn't do things that are important to me, but what it does right takes you pretty far.
Is there something more musical and natural-sounding about the O96 than the XVX? I think so. So why do I prefer the XVX?
Because by the time I tube-i-fy the XVX I can pick up enough naturalness in the midrange that, in combination with the more convincing height, scale and power of the XVX, I get to a higher indifference curve.
*I think I maybe now prefer the Songer S2.
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