For what it's Worth-Tesla

[andromedaaudio]

 

[Gregadd]

the way things are going we may be able to fuel or cars with ambient heat.

 

[andromedaaudio]

the way things are going we may be able to fuel or cars with ambient heat.

Why doesn t your government release the Alien tech from Area 51 ?
And save the world

 

[Folsom]

the way things are going we may be able to fuel or cars with ambient heat.

What tech is this? Certainly isn't from any other changes. Not unless you're going to go "fill up" on the tarmac.

 

[Folsom]

Now imagine the graph when you have to buy a new battery!

 

[Steve Williams]

Now imagine the graph when you have to buy a new battery!

I have yet to know anyTesla owner who has had to buy a new battery

 

[Folsom]

I have yet to know anyTesla owner who has had to buy a new battery

Ok but the life of other cars is well over 200k. The market of used stuff does not end. And that's only Tesla as a metric you're using (which 150k in europe is an estimate for battery according to one source).

The guy was wrong about ICE engines being tapped out tech wise. We haven't seen opposing piston engines out yet. Granted I'd love to see EV become environmentally friendly and easy to produce your own energy etc... but my idea of that is autonomy not cloud-dependency.

ICE cars could be made to last longer as well. They're literally doing fuckery to prevent it trying to squeeze MPG without doing any big changes. For example a bunch of new cars run on 0w16 oil which no one but dealers have.

Whatever our common goals should be no one is REALLY going towards them.

 

[Steve Williams]

As I said I know of no one who has replaced their battery.

 

[Joe Whip]

I know of one guy who uses a 2013 Model S as a taxi service. It has 500,000 miles on the original battery. It is amazing how many folks have to poo poo and denigrate electric vehicles. Ridiculous.

 

[Al M.]

Thanks for that! Excellent presentation of an apples-to-apples comparison by Volvo. I like how the analysis is dispassionate, but the speaker's presentation of it is passionate.

As he says, the message is:

IT'S. NOT. THAT. SIMPLE.

It confirms to me (yeah, my opinion) that my own approach is an environmentally responsible one. I drive a very fuel-efficient little ICE car (2015 Nissan Versa SE), and will keep driving it until it's dead.

By then I'll be able to switch to an EV where the technology, also the one in making it, has matured more, and the grid has become greener, hopefully.

In the meantime I also have, for environmental reasons, a solar roof on my house. Turns out, it gives a financial advantage as well. A win-win.

 

[Al M.]

I know of one guy who uses a 2013 Model S as a taxi service. It has 500,000 miles on the original battery. It is amazing how many folks have to poo poo and denigrate electric vehicles. Ridiculous.

Nobody here per se denigrates electric vehicles, Joe. But stifling rational conversation about pros and cons is not helping us either.

 

[Joe Whip]

Sorry Al, but I see so much negative stuff about EVs here and elsewhere that I am tired of it. Sorry, just the way I feel. I am expressing my opinion not styfling anyone else’s.

 

[Al M.]

I understand, Joe. However, I an very sensitive when discussion turns from dispassionately rational to ideological. On a rational level I see that EV's are clearly the cars of the future -- how could they not be if we want to save the planet? -- but I sense that the discussion around EVs as current saviors of the world, no questions asked, has become far too ideological.

There is already enough irrational backlash against the environmental community. It doesn't help when that community responds with anything less than rational, reasonable arguments -- and hard data. The environmental community itself should not needlessly get heated up by mindless ideology just like their opponents are.

Anyone who wants to buy an EV should do so. But it is irrational to automatically paint all those who don't as backward polluters. As the video that Andromedaaudio posted says so well:

It's not that simple.

 

[Steve Williams]

Well let’s get back to reality. The reboot of the model S was this year. I love it. But now comes the reboot of the Model 3. Lauded as the most aerodynamic of all the Tesla models. Looks like a small model S. The perforated upholstery is what I have and it’s in the new model 3

 

[Folsom]

I know of one guy who uses a 2013 Model S as a taxi service. It has 500,000 miles on the original battery. It is amazing how many folks have to poo poo and denigrate electric vehicles. Ridiculous.

So when Tesla hears this they'll change their warranty right?

 

[Joe Whip]

Geez….

 

[Gregadd]

As I said I know of no one who has replaced their battery.

that is the shortfall of anecdotal evidence.

 

[Steve Williams]

well let's double the stakes. How many do you know.

 

[Gregadd]

So when Tesla hears this they'll change their warranty right?

That is at odds with Tesla' own projections.

 

[Steve Williams]

Here’s the latest which is most interesting. Prices on the X and S have been reduced $20K and the X now qualifies for investment tax credit

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