Best speakers 100-250K for classic rock
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I dont agree often with Bonzo , but indeed you re completely incorrect
Best for Rock .
Id say buy a FM acoustics 223 phonolinearizer with a good TT / Hegel 600 integrated amplifier and 50 -100 K speakers for a total amount under 250K.
FMA amplification will likely not work for that price
Id say buy a FM acoustics 223 phonolinearizer with a good TT / Hegel 600 integrated amplifier and 50 -100 K speakers for a total amount under 250K.
FMA amplification will likely not work for that price
Don’t be so sure. Source and signal quality is extremely important because you can’t polish turd even with 350K speakers.
This graph does not have useful information, as it is heavily smoothed sum of speaker response and room reflections.
Is 800Hz peak is room reflections or it is peak of midrange in your speakers? Is 3-4k is overdamped room with tuned absorbers or it is poor crossover for mid and tweeter?
To get an answer how good is your room and what are your current speakers you need to take real speaker response and your room RT60 + CSD.
Perfect speakers for your style of music is speakers with slightly U-shaped response. Some +1-2 dB on a bottom and flat or +0,5dB on top edge.
Custom built speakers with top speaker drivers (Ellipticors, Textreme/TPCD with Beryllium or TPCD tweeters from SS, SB or Seas) in any style /color like Peak Dragon Legend, Tidal La Assoluta, Marten Mingus will fit your room aesthetics, will cost under 50K and will match your music styles, leaving extremely great budget for room tune and electronics upgrade with life-time subscriptions for all streaming services and additional vinyl setup
fuscobal,
Sorry you’ve been treated in a hostile manner by some members here. Rock music is a growing media platform. Please see,
www.theatlantic.com
The author has a more current article on the same issue, with current stats that show older music is even growing more but I can’t locate it.
IMO, either used Magico M3s or Ultra 7s would benefit you the most. However, you have to hear them to make your own decision. Magico will discontinue the M6s soon, as they have already discontinued the M3s, so it you wait a while the M6s, which are excellent, will be much less…
Sorry you’ve been treated in a hostile manner by some members here. Rock music is a growing media platform. Please see,
Is Old Music Killing New Music?
Old songs now represent 70 percent of the U.S. music market. Even worse: The new-music market is actually shrinking.
www.theatlantic.com
The author has a more current article on the same issue, with current stats that show older music is even growing more but I can’t locate it.
IMO, either used Magico M3s or Ultra 7s would benefit you the most. However, you have to hear them to make your own decision. Magico will discontinue the M6s soon, as they have already discontinued the M3s, so it you wait a while the M6s, which are excellent, will be much less…
Hello,
Where are you seeing this on this thread? Where are the "many" comments derogating 1960s, 1970s and 1980s music as "inferior"?
The answer depends entirely on your definition of "better."
For my personal definition of "better" this is not an easy question for me to answer.
I am not a classical rock listener , but some of the best listening I had of rock was in either the JBL 67000 or the Avangarde Trio G3. The serious alternative for rock - the Audio Physics Gaudi costs more than your budget.
Ron,
Bonzo stated, “play compressed rock drums through digital” and 4 people liked it. So, IMO the OP has a credible point. While Bonzo is somewhat correct (and somewhat corrected himself in a later post) he didn’t consider LPs or streaming in his all consuming definitive original answer. Bonzo left no room for exceptions, did he?
Even you (long ago) have commented on how good Linda Ronstadt sounds on one of her albums (Hasten Down the Wind)... And the album does sound great even on CD…
With the proper equipment even CDs and streaming may sound excellent, very close to vinyl …. Three months ago I won’t have stated such, but I’ve heard some great digital compared to vinyl since then. So my opinions have a changed. IMO, digital playback has improved and worthy of 100k in speakers …
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Why are you purposefully misquoting? In that same post I say "100 - 150k fits in analog plus records upgrade."
In case you do not have the experience to relate, there is no good digital rock recording that can be streamed, that is better than a good LP recording.
Bonzo,
I apologize for some reason I misread that part of your post. But the OP doesn’t need a TT if he already has great digital.
But you misquoted me as well. I NEVER said digital could sound as good as a LP, what I said was “With the proper equipment even CDs and streaming may sound excellent, very close to vinyl …. ”
This said, my digital is within 5% or so of my TechDAS vinyl (and TT is properly set up). I now stream 90-95% of the time.
IMO, it won’t be long until digital surpasses the SQ of vinyl as a medium. Now I said it.
Bonzo,
I apologize for some reason I misread that part of your post. But the OP doesn’t need a TT if he already has great digital.
But you misquoted me as well. I NEVER said digital could sound as good as a LP, what I said was “With the proper equipment even CDs and streaming may sound excellent, very close to vinyl …. ”
This said, my digital is within 5% or so of my TechDAS vinyl (and TT is properly set up). I now stream 90-95% of the time.
IMO, it won’t be long until digital surpasses the SQ of vinyl as a medium. Now I said it.
You mentioned in your post that I implied on classic rock as music, rather than related to recordings. That is flat out incorrect.
The fact that your digital sounds close to your techdas tells me you are still not getting what it means by “recordings”.
Elliot G.
Dealer - Bending Wave
I think the whole premise is totally flawed. Price is not the arbitrator of sound quality in the absolute. The SQ will have more to do with the quality of the total system than the source differential. The old argument of analog vs. digital can be a valid discussion but not in this context IMO
Ive heard a lot of poorly set up and selected systems in all price ranges and source choices.
Elliot G.
Dealer - Bending Wave
I totally disagree with that statement. The best rock ever done was pre 1980 and almost every great band fell in that era. I highly suggest that you get your hands on the redbook versions( originals not remastered or high rez remixes) since many of those sound really good. Dire Straights, Pink Floyd, Tull, Allman brothers, stones, Beatles, and on and on and on. Everything from Heavy Metal to Motown from Michael to Ozzie all pre 1980.
I don't know exactly what a rock speaker is since speakers are non intelligent devices that play what you feed them however if I was going to design a "rock system' with what I like it would include
Gobel Divin Marquis or if you want to go big the Noblesse with 2 Gobel Sovereign Subs. Why you ask? with the subs you could add presets for different bass levels which in my experience is what people like when playing rock albums .
I think the speakers you mentioned are all quality products and all excellent choices but to be specific for what you are asking for they might fall short
No, I’m correct. Please go elsewhere to stir the pot and argue with someone else.
Facts are facts Bonzo. I hear what I hear - and it is marvelously stunning.This you can’t change!
Recordings? In context, I understand that it is the process of capturing music in a reproducible form … And you can argue that LPs capture more than digital, etc., etc., etc. ad nauseam. However, as I stated earlier if you have the proper Transport, DAC (upsampling), Streamer, cabling, all properly setup, etc. it can sound very near to vinyl and IMO one day it will surpass it...
Just because you haven’t experienced the very best of digital doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist and already sound very close to vinyl …
Bonzo Highend Audio is advancing. As much as I enjoy my LPs, my digital has now all but caught up with it. I’m happy to be able to play different forms of media in excellence.
I agree with your points Doc76. I have been at this a long time. I purchased my first album and first turntable in 1966, when tubes were still king and transistors were starting to fully catch on. I have always had one or more turntables since then and collected LP's throughout the late 60's, the 70's, the 80's then tapering off in the 90's as CD's took hold and then began to purchase many CD's and a few LP's until about 2010 when I resumed purchasing a lot of LP's and tapered off CD's a bit until I purchased an SACD player when I began to collect SACD's. I currently buy about 2/3rds LP's and 1/3rd CD's, buying SACD's when I can. I currently have about 4,000 LP's and 4,000 CD's (probably a medium sized collection by What's Best standards).
I play both LP's and CD's on a daily basis, playing all kinds of music. So I have a lot of experience with both LP's and CD's. I believe that I know what a good LP should sound like. And of course I have improved my stereo system along the way as well. So now we have great equipment available with which we can directly compare remastered music from the original tapes, available in both LP and SACD (thank you Analogue Productions) done by the same person on mostly the same equipment excepting the digital stage. You can compare LP's to CD's, especially SACD's, on all types of jazz, all types of classical music, all types of rock, all types of pop and on and on. I have regularly done so and continue to do so, by myself, with other audiophiles, with my wife and with non-audiophiles. I start the LP and SACD (mostly) at the same time and same level and use my remote to silently go back and forth between digital and analogue and I can say that it is the rare person who can consistently tell which is which. So for me and the others with whom I listen digital and analogue have both made great strides (and continue to do so) and are at a point where there is little difference between well done analogue and well done digital. There is the romance of the LP, but great care is needed to keep the LP's clean and in their best playing condition. LP's need more care and room for storage. And I have noticed that the new LP's I buy are more likely to have some potato chip warpage than previously (to the point that I have purchased a record flatener, which I now need to use on a regular basis). And generally new LP's are more expensive than equivalent CD's or SACD's. So I believe that at the current time in deciding between digital and analogue that it is less about sound quality and more about personal and lifestyle preference. And no one should be disrespected over the issue of personal preference.
That makes no sense I guess you never listened to the Genesis re-masters? Not only that but there is a lot of good music post 80's where there are no analog masters. It was all digital. You don't listen to any music from the "digital age"?
Rob
Genesis is now classified as classic rock?That makes no sense I guess you never listened to the Genesis re-masters? Not only that but there is a lot of good music post 80's where there are no analog masters. It was all digital. You don't listen to any music from the "digital age"?
Rob
Classic rock was never in the digital age, it was in the vinyl age, the best classic rock recordings are all vinyl, the digital and reissues are compressed with thin bass.
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