Alsyvox planars...prepare to sell your Magico's, YG's, Wilson's, Cessaro's. Maggie's, and all others!!

[Rhapsody]

I would LOVE to do a shoot out with Pilium vs Audionet

 

[bonzo75]

I would LOVE to do a shoot out with Pilium vs Audionet

 

[Zero000]

They did, and still do when you hit particular resonant frequencies; neither Graz nor the installer were ever able to nail down why, but it wasn't due to the ribbons or surrounds being bad per se.

The fun thing is the same track would make the Caliper and Diva buzz, but not the Duetta.

Then other tracks would make the Duetta buzz but not the Caliper or Diva.

Nothing would make the Full Range buzz.

Fun times.

They know now. I went through it with them a few years ago.

A tape measure, a wavelength to frequency calculator plus a signal generator are tools to confirm it.

The truth is it is quite narrow band in both the ribbon and bass panels. Until the foam deteriorates or the foil separates from the kapton. Then it just gets wider and wider band.

I am pretty sure you could trip an Alsyvox up the same way. It's just physics.

 

[cjfrbw]

The truth is it is quite narrow band in both the ribbon and bass panels. Until the foam deteriorates or the foil separates from the kapton. Then it just gets wider and wider band.

I am pretty sure you could trip an Alsyvox up the same way. It's just physics.

Who is going to step forward to blow up their Alsyvox with a signal generator at resonance to test the theory? Knowledge has no price tag.

 

[heihei]

I would LOVE to do a shoot out with Pilium vs Audionet

Me too. If we get a pair of Alsyvox in the UK, it might be possible.

BTW I wouldn't call Heisenbergs cold - far from it.

 

[Rhapsody]

Me too. If we get a pair of Alsyvox in the UK, it might be possible.

BTW I wouldn't call Heisenbergs cold - far from it.

I didn't see where anyone said that Audionet was cold??? Maybe I missed it.

 

[Zero000]

Who is going to step forward to blow up their Alsyvox with a signal generator at resonance to test the theory? Knowledge has no price tag.

I just think Alsyvox are new kids on the block. Let's see what they are saying saying about them in 25-30 years.

Preview: do they buzz? Yeah. I spent 195K on them. That's fairly irrelevant, though. Mostly, they seemed quite good

LOL.

 

[Rhapsody]

I just think Alsyvox are new kids on the block.

Wiith Leonardo that has been in development and then introduced as the predecessor to Alsyvox, but the same overall design has only been in existence since 1994. Not sure if that qualifies as a "new kid on the block"?

 

[cjfrbw]

An audiophile neighbor says Emile Bok's (Boticelli?) system is the best system he has ever heard. Alsyvox look to have amazing build and design quality (magnets on BOTH sides of the ribbon) and even throw in efficiency, so if they hold the crown, they can exact the premium.

 

[Rhapsody]

I've been listening to pretty much on a daily basis via several models of Alsyvox for the last 4-5 years. Besides my personal listening I've probably participated in 100+ Alsyvox demos at Rhapsody locations, plus heard/tuned 20+ Alsyvox US customers systems, as well as been present at several trade shows where Alsyvox was an exhibitor.

I perosnally listen with 600Watts/4ohms and at times I play LOUD. (Probably using a few watts most of the time)

During all of these listening sessions I can safely say that I have never myself heard or did any of the few hundred listeners mention that they heard the Alsyvox speakers "buzz". ymmv, just my personal experience.

 

[Bobvin]

Lets not forget the ribbon travel is up to 20mm with Alsyvox, most panels are half of that. Still, if you play a pipe organ at its lowest frequency, REALLY LOUD, you might get the ribbon to hit maximum excursion.

With Botticelli playing down to 22 hz, I'm sure if you were to do something silly like use Botticelli as a speaker for a techno dance club (I did say silly, they're clearly not designed for such purpose) you'd find the limits. All speakers have limits.

 

[heihei]

I didn't see where anyone said that Audionet was cold??? Maybe I missed it.

Post #1040, but on re-reading, think it is "could" misspelt

 

[Rhapsody]

Post #1040, but on re-reading, think it is "could" misspelt

Yes, I think he just missed spelled “could”….typo

 

[Rhapsody]

I personally think that Audionet, CHP, Soulution, Boulder, Gryphon, DartZeel etc are all GREAT AMPLIFIERS. I will put Pilium up against any of them and feel that the $100K Hercules monos will compete with any of the mentioned $200K monos as well as being a bit more "liquid" sounding. But that's my personal opinion. Owners of all of the mentioned amplifiers I am sure would have a different opinion.

It's great to have so many choices for all to enjoy!

 

[morricab]

I personally think that Audionet, CHP, Soulution, Boulder, Gryphon, DartZeel etc are all GREAT AMPLIFIERS. I will put Pilium up against any of them and feel that the $100K Hercules monos will compete with any of the mentioned $200K monos as well as being a bit more "liquid" sounding. But that's my personal opinion. Owners of all of the mentioned amplifiers I am sure would have a different opinion.

It's great to have so many choices for all to enjoy!

All amplifiers are great…just some are greater than others…

 

[BillK]

They know now. I went through it with them a few years ago.

A tape measure, a wavelength to frequency calculator plus a signal generator are tools to confirm it.

The truth is it is quite narrow band in both the ribbon and bass panels. Until the foam deteriorates or the foil separates from the kapton. Then it just gets wider and wider band.

I am pretty sure you could trip an Alsyvox up the same way. It's just physics.

This was with brand new Graz ribbons and foam on all the speakers in question - it was right after redoing my Caliper Signatures because I thought the old ribbons/foam were causing the issue, and the rest of the Apogees were tested at the ribbon installer's home (Rich Murray at True Sound Works.)

I've never, ever heard it on the Alsyvox; for the Calipers and Diva it was normal listening levels (not even loud), triggered by the french horn on Carpenters' track Superstar.

For the Duettas it was the opening harp notes on Beth Nielsen Chapman's Faithful Heart.

Neither causes an issue on the Botticelli.

 

[BillK]

Lets not forget the ribbon travel is up to 20mm with Alsyvox, most panels are half of that. Still, if you play a pipe organ at its lowest frequency, REALLY LOUD, you might get the ribbon to hit maximum excursion.

Been there, done that (whoops.)

Track? No Time for Caution from Interstellar, of course.

No buzz, just an ugly thwack as the ribbons ran out of extension.

Not an Alsyvox failing, I once got a woofer on a pair of Vivid Audio Giya G2s to do the same.

 

[Gregadd]

Color me sad. No Alsyvox at CAF 2022. Say it aint so.

 

[Rhapsody]

Color me sad. No Alsyvox at CAF 2022. Say it aint so.

No we will not bet at CAF. We just did the Chicago and Seattle shows. With the five US Rhapsody locations which are now available for Alsyvox auditions, we have plenty of focused visitors so the shows don't seem as important for us right now.

Have a great show!

 

[Zero000]

This was with brand new Graz ribbons and foam on all the speakers in question - it was right after redoing my Caliper Signatures because I thought the old ribbons/foam were causing the issue, and the rest of the Apogees were tested at the ribbon installer's home (Rich Murray at True Sound Works.)

I've never, ever heard it on the Alsyvox; for the Calipers and Diva it was normal listening levels (not even loud), triggered by the french horn on Carpenters' track Superstar.

For the Duettas it was the opening harp notes on Beth Nielsen Chapman's Faithful Heart.

Neither causes an issue on the Botticelli.

Bill, it is maths and physics.

The hard bit is knowing how to design stuff so the flaws don't show themselves.

I did think a bit about how much effort to put into making a better pair of Duettas. I put a massive amount of effort into the pair I have in a way most people won't understand. And so did the builder.

Something, at least to me is evident, though. Planar magnetic speakers are the Apogee. If you will excuse the pun.