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Its posts like this that drive people away from Hifi. Why do posters named Anton from Audio Asylum to WTF do this?
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Elliot G.
Dealer - Bending Wave
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To drive you nuts, just hit the ignore feature. I am sure folks have done that with me
I endorse your use of the ignore button, my dear delicate self-puffed flower. Self important bloviating will kill Hi Fi long before joking about it will.
I was being light hearted about this BS "followers" stuff.
I do not attend Audio Asylum, and am not afraid to use my actual name, instead of hiding behind some cutesy moniker. (Nor Audio Science Review - which is as close to incel audiophilia as I can envision.)
Before you go, and please do: How do you feel about post #249?
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Anton I’m sad I was the only one to call you out for your reference to a porn site.
If you don’t know who I am that is your problem. Most people in the industry or who are interested in digital audio know who I am. It isn’t hidden.
And when I get home I will give you my opinion on your post. But I sure had a lot of people try to talk me out of leaving the hobby last weekend before, during and after the Annual Gala.
If you don’t know who I am that is your problem. Most people in the industry or who are interested in digital audio know who I am. It isn’t hidden.
And when I get home I will give you my opinion on your post. But I sure had a lot of people try to talk me out of leaving the hobby last weekend before, during and after the Annual Gala.
Elliot G.
Dealer - Bending Wave
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Elliot G.
Dealer - Bending Wave
Elliot G.
Dealer - Bending Wave
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Ok Anton as promised.
Harry Pearson should have stayed an environmental journalist. Many audiophiles don’t like my thoughts about him.
Telling stories about audio equipment is not a review. It is marketing. My view is that the people writing about equipment don’t know how to test audio equipment.
The hobby and the industry are fundamentally dishonest. Accommodation pricing influences other activities but doesn’t influence high-end audio? Selling ever more expensive equipment to a market where age related hearing loss is reality. Every difference in sound is automatically better. Do expensive materials really improve sound at the listening position?
The politics of the hobby influence too much. About 300 English speaking reviewers wrote positive things about MQA. They either don’t hear well and lack expertise, or they wrote about MQA positively because they were afraid not to. Some chose not to write anything about MQA because of the political pressure to support it or begged off and claimed they were just analog guys. Doug Schneider was the only reviewer to oppose it. MQA caused a lot of reviewers to lose credibility.
If you don’t think people here aren’t influencers and targets you don’t understand modern gorilla marketing.
Don’t consider me an authority. I believe you should be taught audio outside the hobby. Have a consistent set of reference albums and recordings. Seek your information directly from manufacturers as much as possible. The room is the most important thing to get right, and I wish I permission to reprint Paul Klipsch’s speaker positioning proof.
Elliot G.
Dealer - Bending Wave
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I’m used to dealing with irrational audiophiles. I wrote MQA is Vaporware.To drive you nuts, just hit the ignore feature. I am sure folks have done that with me
I think (felt like) the breakdown of talk time last episode was 50% danny, 35% elliot, 10% ron, 5% jay. i wish the balance was more equal.
also, who is the target audience and what is/are the goals for the show? it has seemed all over the map thus far.
I definitely want to see it succeed. Understood that not everyone can be pleased.
also, who is the target audience and what is/are the goals for the show? it has seemed all over the map thus far.
I definitely want to see it succeed. Understood that not everyone can be pleased.
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Danny actually listens to and collects music, he transitions easily between talking about hardware/audio biz and his favorite music. Ask Jay about music, and he's a deer in the headlights. As for content, lots of 'how the sausage is made' in retailing, promotion and marketing. Its kinda interesting but nothing I didn't know before. What's absent are the invited audio luminaries and guests, which I presume is the missing 5th person of the "HiFifive."
Well, we have lots to discuss!
'Telling stories about audio is not a review.' True! It is entertainment. I'm fine with this. Sometimes, the stories are used to establish a context for something a reviewer wants to reference or compare regarding an item he or she is currently reviewing. They might be looking for relatable analogies, or pointing out a situation where an initial impression turned out to be inaccurate and the story is their vehicle to arrive at a destination. It can serve many purposes, the foremost of which, to me, is having a conversation, in general. I also don't care if they know a voltmeter from an RMS meter. () For me, reviews are user experiences and are based on their listening/using an item.
Over time, I can see from the stories and descriptions if the reviewer seems dependable compared to my experiences. That's it, the whole ball of wax. I bet you can tell by looking at the systems many 'objectivists' put together that being able to 'test audio equipment' certainly doesn't often enough lend itself to our subjective experience or enjoyment. So, we disagree on that part of your reply, but the hobby comes in many flavors.
"The hobby and the industry are fundamentally dishonest." That's a sort of 'Catcher in the Demo Room' or 'Audiophile in the Rye' sort of philosophy, and I don't 100% agree there, either. If one is that cynical about the hobby, why would one be attending these dishonest galas and relating that people beg one to remain in the hobby? The two positions are hard to reconcile. I'd need to know more about your 'position' in the hobby to be able to figure out your disdain for something you persist in doing at that level.
I wanted to specifically mention age related hearing loss. This is often a big red herring. Does live music still sound like live music to you? Does it seem diminished as an experience as you have aged? Do you sit and say to yourself, "Man, if only my frequency response percetionstill went to 13 KHz, I would like this music better??' Can you still perceive if system has a rising top end, or not? I think many listening phenomenon (and our apparatus) work together to keep it all pretty fresh.
This is a complicated topic and I do not mean to sound didactic. As you say, don't consider me an authority.
We perceive more than just a missing high end frequency as we lose those upper reaches. We are used to talking about 'harmonics' that appear in what we usually think of as the frequencies above a note; you can have frequencies below the fundamental, but they aren't typically called "harmonics" (which are multiples); instead, they're often subharmonics, difference tones, or simply "partials." Non-linearities, or the brain filling in, a "missing fundamental," creates perception of lower pitches that are created from the presence of the higher pitched sounds or higher overtones. We can actually have a subjective experience of notes being present that we didn't catch! If the higher notes were not accurately portrayed, we can often make that out by what else is missing in our current hearing range, or interpret as being lacking or over=-emphasize even when we can't hear the original fundamental.
So, we can still hear a lot (most) of what's going on, even with these age related upper frequency limits we cope with as we listen.
We can also differ on how pernicious we think accommodation pricing is. As I said before, if it is transparent and consistent, it doesn't screw up comparative analysis between pieces of gear.
Regarding the 'politics' of the hobby, the failure of your exemplar of MQA pretty much argues against your point. Were you fooled? Did those 300 journalists cause you fiscal pain or suffering? You sound like it did not, nor did I, or the general marketplace - we all listened and found it wanting. It did cause reviewers to lose credibility, as you point out, which only proves the opposite point, to me: the marketplace spoke louder that 300 evil reviewers! Like I said upstream, if a reviewer is full of it, he or she is found out over time. To me, everything worked as it should.
"Gorilla marketing" claims are fine, but sort of unprovable. No matter how I reply, you can still keep claiming it is the hobby's deep state at work, but you are giving far too little credit to your fellow enthusiasts and members here.
Before I expire from over-talking: "Seek your information from directly from the manufacturers" seems at odds with much of what you say. If the hobby is crooked and corrupt, why on earth would you tell people to invest in seeking output primarily from the manufacturing end if this diabolical diad? I could have been influenced by "trust no one because everyone has an agenda," but telling us to ignore reviewers, other consumer observations, etc. and looking to manufacturers is excusing the evil actors you want about when describing the hobby, in general.
I can see we don't agree on vast swaths of our hobby experience, but that's OK, it a sonically large tent!
Cheers.
(Pardon grammar and syntax, I am trying to squeeze this in in dribs and drabs on a work day!)
All of this would make for great fodder over wine. I bet we have crossed paths in real life at some point!
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Elliot G.
Dealer - Bending Wave
Im told Danny gets paid by the word and Jay gets a hefty appearance fee.
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