Zero Distortion: Tango Time

[bonzo75]

You are even deeper Howie. Your craw cracking noise is in fact what is happening when listen quiet passage in Debussy vinyls. You better have one hell of a clean pressing to listen to those soft quieter passages. In fact the whole La Mer. I pass.

The DGG pressing was quite clean, it is not a beaten up old original.

 

[Tango]

Going by memory I preferred the Solti version you had recorded a year or more ago. It was more organic. It would be good if you can record that again, as you have deleted it

That Solti was hard sounding and far from refine. Seem like they used very few microphones. Vocal singing on the right then switch to the left flavor the play well but the whole presentation is width limited and baffle me the localization of what is where. I would not consider it a good recording.

 

[bonzo75]

That Solti was hard sounding and far from refine. Seem like they used very few microphones. Vocal singing on the right then switch to the left flavor the play well but the whole presentation is width limited and baffle me the localization of what is where. I would not consider it a good recording.

Very few Solti recordings are good, if any, these are not like old Decca originals, that said, it sounded (by memory) more organic than Sheffield, which on video sounds a bit synthetic. And the battle cry makes the music more exciting

 

[Tango]

The DGG pressing was quite clean, it is not a beaten up old original.

Your standard of clean is just about what I consider "off-road."

 

[bonzo75]

Your standard of clean is just about what I consider "off-road."

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[Tango]

Very few Solti recordings are good, if any, these are not like old Decca originals, that said, it sounded (by memory) more organic than Sheffield, which on video sounds a bit synthetic. And the battle cry makes the music more exciting

No woman will ever marry you Bonz. You knit pick more than my grand mother. And it does not sound synthetic btw. Shhhhh ! No. No. Don't argue unless you find the record and listen yourself.

 

[bonzo75]

No woman will ever marry you Bonz. You knit pick more than my grand mother. And it does not sound synthetic btw. Shhhhh ! No. No. Don't argue unless you find the record and listen yourself.

Sorry, you are the one being argumentative today on La Mer as well as this. I told you what I thought of the video by memory. You could have simply recorded that video again to show the difference. I am not disputing it is not a good recording, but then I still have to listen to one genuine sounding Sheffield D2D record.

ps: I understand why your grandma nit picked on you.

 

[howiebrou]

You two need to get a room.

 

[bonzo75]

You two need to get a room.

Mine is already crowded with Micro, marc, etc.

 

[kodomo]

Missing a lot. I suggest you listen to La Mer recordings and live to understand. The music has soft passages and swells.

I love La Mer and have a few different renditions, also have listened to it live a few times. Yes, it has soft passages and gets dynamic too and this is what I enjoy while listening as well. I was talking about your expectations for less dynamic behavior of the system. If a system can go down from whisper quite to very loud without touching the volume dial it means it has less compression and this is good in my book.

 

[bonzo75]

If a system can go down from whisper quite to very loud without touching the volume dial it means it has less compression and this is good in my book.

This is exactly what I am saying should happen.

People should not have to touch the volume to lower sound when it goes up and and should not have to increase it when it goes to whisper. To which you replied I like compression.

 

[kodomo]

This is exactly what I am saying should happen.

People should not have to touch the volume to lower sound when it goes up and and should not have to increase it when it goes to whisper. To which you replied I like compression.

Sorry, then I misinterpreted what you are saying.

 

[bonzo75]

Sorry, then I misinterpreted what you are saying.

yes I figured that from your second comment.

 

[the sound of Tao]

You two need to get a room.

The problem with putting two men into a room and playing them Wagner’s Ring is that only one of them can possibly play Siegfried… the other one is going to have to do a fairly elaborate costume change at half time… bags not being Brunhilde again

 

[howiebrou]

The problem with putting two men into a room and playing them Wagner’s Ring is that only one of them can possibly play Siegfried… the other one is going to have to do a fairly elaborate costume change at half time… bags not being Brunhilde again

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Ked as Siegfried. I would pay top dollar to see that! May be we can do a CrowdFunder?

 

[bonzo75]

Ked as Siegfried. I would pay top dollar to see that! May be we can do a CrowdFunder?

Just to clarify, Siegfried is not like the fried chicken you eat

 

[the sound of Tao]

Ked as Siegfried. I would pay top dollar to see that! May be we can do a CrowdFunder?

Such an image would surely bring on the twilight of the gods

 

[howiebrou]

Just to clarify, Siegfried is not like the fried chicken you eat

I meant the Siegfried in Siegfried and Roy

 

[morricab]

This is very interesting, it means you like compression. If soft passages are low and swells are high and there is a big difference in volume within two, it means there is less compression. Am I missing something?

People at home generally do not like very quiet passages and tend to turn the volume up as they are used to microscopic hearing of even soft passages as generally recordings are compressed. This is not always bad, we would have no crooners without it, and it is useful in a lot of situations in a variety of musical genres. However, classical recordings tend to use less compression hence larger volume differences between soft and loud passages. If your stereo system accommodates this difference I take it as a positive.

I think he meant that a good system it doesn't get boring in the soft parts and that you don't need to ride the volume control (which is a manual form of compression if you bump it up in the quiet parts and down in the loud parts) to get interesting sound throughout the piece.

 

[morricab]

That Solti was hard sounding and far from refine. Seem like they used very few microphones. Vocal singing on the right then switch to the left flavor the play well but the whole presentation is width limited and baffle me the localization of what is where. I would not consider it a good recording.

The 1965 Solti is widely considered one of the best Opera recordings...surprised you think it is not. I found the localization of the singing to be superb and especially the depth in the recording and the fact that you can clearly hear the performers are behind the orchestra as is standard for Opera where the orchestra is down in a pit in front of the stage.