Taiko Audio SGM Extreme : the Crème de la Crème

Blue58

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Thank you, all very compelling points indeed. During my audition, I had not the time to pinpoint the single most relevant improvement on my system, probably because of a combination of a too brief exposure and the extent of holistic step-up compared to my current server being too big.

I experienced an overall release of tension in the music, a more visceral depiction of the midrange, and - more apparently - an increase of nuances / information in the bass region.

As for the *fast* thing, I read a very interesting interview from Rob Watts (the Chord DAVE mastermind), where he insists that the accuracy of timing is crucial not only for the obvious effects on rhytmic drive, propulsive energy, attack / decay realism, imaging, etc., but he mentions psychoacoustic experiments where the pitch, hence the timbre, of instruments was perceived very differently when the timing accuracy of the reproduced transients was altered, even very slightly.

I seem to recognize a similar design intent on the Taiko Extreme, in the obsessive research of latency reduction (?).

As I listen to 90% acoustic music (mostly classical) and often attend to live concerts, my quest is for realism, as I found that sound presentations that are steered towards the fun-side of music listening, and those veering towards an embellishment of the recording may be rewarding on the short term, but become annoying (for me) in the longer run.

Hope the Extreme will bring me one step closer to my quest :)
Here’s an example I’m listening to Rickie Lee Jones’ Naked Songs, Last chance Texaco and it’s so Real it’s frightening. I’ve stood not 12 feet from Rickie at the Jazz Cafe and heard her sing this. It brings it all back and moves me to tears. Partly because my late best friend was a big fan and that was one of the last concerts we attended together.
 

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We have a lot of new technology, updates and upgrades releasing this and next year, on the hardware side it is mainly holding for sufficient parts availability, on the software side it's mainly squashing the last few resilient bugs. As we've been copied a bit to often now we've chosen to not disclose what we are releasing till we are there as some of this is currently non existing technology. I can disclose we are very excited over what we are sitting on here, most of these are not minor improvements/optimizations in the ~10% sound quality delta range but, al always IMHO, rather substantial advances, perhaps even revolutionary.
This is why my wagon is hitched to a horse named Taiko.
 

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Here’s an example I’m listening to Rickie Lee Jones’ Naked Songs, Last chance Texaco and it’s so Real it’s frightening. I’ve stood not 12 feet from Rickie at the Jazz Cafe and heard her sing this. It brings it all back and moves me to tears. Partly because my late best friend was a big fan and that was one of the last concerts we attended together.
Listening to Autumn Leaves now... Frigging amazing - sending shivers down my spine!

Thanks for the tip!
 

Blue58

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Listening to Autumn Leaves now... Frigging amazing - sending shivers down my spine!

Thanks for the tip!
And 1 more for fun, not wishing to derail the thread.
Fink, Trouble I’m in from Wheels turn beneath my feet.
 

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I received shortly before Christmas the new USB Sablon 2022, and was rather (very!) impressed by it, so here is a short review. I am by no means an experienced reviewer, so please excuse the enthusiasm, but I thought I might share the highlight of a great holiday after a gloomy 2021. Any feedback welcome, what amazing times for audio!

Sablon USB 2022 Review:

I have received slightly before the Christmas break the new Sablon USB cable, which
was a great way to finish a long and difficult year. Firstly, I should emphasise how much of a pleasure it is to deal
with Mark, who has been providing solid guidance throughout. A few words about my system,
I am using both a headphone (Woo Audio Wa33 with Abyss TC 1266),
and a speaker setup with Magico A1/Gryphon 120 depending on mood and work-from-home constraints.

Like many of us, I have gone through a long period of rabbit holes and explorations, before settling on the fantastic Taiko Extreme
and a Chord Dave, the latter now powered by a Sean Jacobs ARC-6. The system rests on a Norstone spider rack,
using a combination of Daiza platforms and Critical Mass Systems Center Stage 2 footers for both the Taiko and the DAC.
The system is connected to an Everest, all cabling is now Sablon. The fantastic Audiowise SRC-DX is used
as a bridge between the Dave and Taiko. I have gone through a long list of rabbit holes of dealing with network tweaks,
and settled on a dual Buffalo upgraded switch. Finally, the Dave is wrapped with a sheet of a
highly permeable alloy, for magnetic shielding, as my DAC sits inbetween my two amplifiers - that’s a
great suggestion from Audiowise that I highly recommend, although the aesthetic might bring in
interesting arguments with family and friends :). I should emphasise that all the tweaks above
have been introduced one at a time, over many months, and the impact/improvement was apparent and impressive at all of those
steps, opening the soundstate, increasing density and timbre, and most importantly (for me at least!) imaging and
dynamics. It also gave me time to get used to my system and set a baseline for future tweaks. I should say that
improving anything upon the work of Ed and Emile (Taiko Extreme, USB card, TAS) is a real achievement in itself,
our colleagues have set the bar very very high, so the baseline is the Atacama Plateau rather than our good old England
south downs.

I should say that I had used the 2020 USB Sablon as a reference cable for all these changes, and had somewhat
forgotten about it. I thought I was very much done on the side of USB, and to be honest how much a difference
could the USB make after all the care put in my system? To be completely honest, as I started experimenting
with the new USB cable, my excitement was very moderate at best and I
was giving it a go expecting the usual 10% improvement here and
there, possibly some compromises and tradeoffs.

Goodness me did I not expect what I was hearing. The density was hugely increased, dressing texture on
every single instruments, but also improving the smoothness in the highs, that are to die for.
In my limited experience, it’s very rare that an improvement is made in a part of the spectrum without
affecting something else, but I think that’s the tour-de-force that Mark has achieved here.
Voices became far more articulated, and another drop of ’noise’ could clearly be heard.
Electrical noise is a very subtle concept, as it’s not something that you really hear until electrical pollution is removed,
in the old sense of radio interferences that would crackle. It’s nothing like that, rather a sudden increase of
information captured by the listener. Practically, this translates in many improvements, in my case for instance I always
had a decent sound stage but with a clear loss of density at the edges, now the instruments sound even more alive
at the edges, which gives spooky moments where drums or violins seems to be playing next to you, a very holographic
experience!

We usually naively think of noise as 'white noise,
random gaussian distributed noise that fluctuates uniformly through time, frequencies or space, however my
take is that likely harmful electrical effects are sources of correlated noise, which can be introduced by any subtle
bias in electrical transmission, that’s actually a very complex field of research at the intersect of material science
and electrical engineering. I should say that my background
is in theoretical physics, and I am not unfamiliar with odd concepts such as quantum mechanics, but
the one thing I learned through time is that empirical evidence comes first, and here the evidence with Mark’s cable
is loud and clear, theory will hopefully follow one day and explain some of the effects at play!

So I was wrong, the USB cable matters even more now that my system has been carefully tuned, and it left me wonder
with what comes next, and how this can even get better? I have to say, at this stage, it’s all bonuses, I could
just left myself drift for hours into the music. In one sentence - Mark’s new USB cable comes highly recommended, and expect large and significant changes in your system. It’s actually somewhat unfair to name it or label it after the previous iteration, the improvement isn’t incremental, a totally different beast. Where does all of this stop ? :)
 
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Where does all of this stop ? :)

I don't think it will ever stop and we've all just began scratching the surface of what's possible. Just think of all the potential "missing laws of nature" which may be discovered in your field of expertise in the next decades, some of which may actually explain what you are hearing now as surely it's hard to theorize the mechanics behind this within the currently existing knowledge base :)
 

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Update of the DACs supported by the Taiko Audio custom USB driver (note your DAC does not need to be supported by this driver to work with the Extreme, it is merely considered to be an upgrade over vendor supplied drivers):

-Analog Domain DAC1

-Anthem STR

-APL DSD-MR

-APL DSD-SR

-Aries Cerat Helene

-Aries Cerat Kassandra

-Aqua Formula xHD V2.0

-Aqua La Scala

-Ayre QX-5 with USB2 upgrade

-B&O Beolab 50

-Boulder 2120

-Bricasti MDxx

-Brinkmann Nyquist

-CH Precision

-DCS Bartok

-DCS Rossini

-DCS Rossini Player

-DCS Vivaldi

-DCS Vivaldi Up-sampler

-DCS Vivaldi One

-Denafrips Gaia

-Denafrips Terminator Plus

-Devialet Expert Pro

-EMM Labs DAC2V2

-EMM Labs DAC2X

-Esoteric Grandioso D1X (PCM only)

-Esoteric K-01X (PCM only)

-Esoteric K-01XD (PCM only)

-Esoteric K-03 (PCM only)

-Exogal Comet

-Goldmund Mimesis 20H Nextgen

-Gustard X26 Pro

-Holo Audio May

-Ideon Absolute

-Lampizator (all models with a jlsounds interface)

-LH Davinci MKII

-LH Virtuoso

-Luxman D10X

-Meitner MA-3

-Meitner XDS1 V3

-MSB Pro USB

-MSB V / Quad

-Mutec MC-3+

-Nagra HD-X

-Nagra Tube Dac

-Pilium Elektra

-Resolution Audio Cantata 3.0

-Sennheiser HE-1

-Singxer SU-6

-SoTM dx-usbHD

-Soulution 330

-Soulution 760

-T+A 3100 series

-Thrax Maximinus

-Totaldac

-Trinity 1st gen model

-Trinity Reference

-Vinnie Rossi L2

-Vitus

-Wadax Reference

-Weiss DAC-501

-Ypsilon 1000


To have your DAC added contact us at contact@taikoaudio.com or support@taikoaudio.com or run the Thesycon USB Descriptor Dumper utility downloadable here: https://thesycon.de/eng/usb_descriptordumper.shtml and e-mail us the output (use the save as file option).
 
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Extreme owners, what would you pick as the single most significant sonic attribute the Taiko has brought to your system?
the longest description that arises as the answer to this question is: WOW!
 

EuroDriver

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Yandex.Translate on Telegram

I just want to let Extreme Users and potential Extreme Users who are not strong with their English language skills is that Yandex Translate, the very fast translation bot on Telegram, is now very much improved.

This allows us to provide good interactive customer support to customers in their native language
 

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Update of the DACs supported by the Taiko Audio custom USB driver (note your DAC does not need to be supported by this driver to work with the Extreme, it is merely considered to be an upgrade over vendor supplied drivers):

-Analog Domain DAC1

-Anthem STR

-APL DSD-MR

-APL DSD-SR

-Aries Cerat Helene

-Aries Cerat Kassandra

-Aqua Formula xHD V2.0

-Aqua La Scala

-Ayre QX-5 with USB2 upgrade

-B&O Beolab 50

-Boulder 2120

-Bricasti MDxx

-Brinkmann Nyquist

-CH Precision

-DCS Bartok

-DCS Rossini

-DCS Rossini Player

-DCS Vivaldi

-DCS Vivaldi Up-sampler

-DCS Vivaldi One

-Denafrips Gaia

-Denafrips Terminator Plus

-Devialet Expert Pro

-EMM Labs DAC2V2

-EMM Labs DAC2X

-Esoteric Grandioso D1X (PCM only)

-Esoteric K-01X (PCM only)

-Esoteric K-01XD (PCM only)

-Esoteric K-03 (PCM only)

-Exogal Comet

-Goldmund Mimesis 20H Nextgen

-Gustard X26 Pro

-Holo Audio May

-Ideon Absolute

-Lampizator (all models with a jlsounds interface)

-LH Davinci MKII

-LH Virtuoso

-Luxman D10X

-Meitner MA-3

-Meitner XDS1 V3

-MSB Pro USB

-MSB V / Quad

-Mutec MC-3+

-Nagra HD-X

-Nagra Tube Dac

-Pilium Elektra

-Resolution Audio Cantata 3.0

-Sennheiser HE-1

-Singxer SU-6

-SoTM dx-usbHD

-Soulution 330

-Soulution 760

-T+A 3100 series

-Thrax Maximinus

-Totaldac

-Trinity 1st gen model

-Trinity Reference

-Vinnie Rossi L2

-Vitus

-Wadax Reference

-Weiss DAC-501

-Ypsilon 1000


To have your DAC added contact us at contact@taikoaudio.com or support@taikoaudio.com or run the Thesycon USB Descriptor Dumper utility downloadable here: https://thesycon.de/eng/usb_descriptordumper.shtml and e-mail us the output (use the save as file option).

Emile,
How do we get and install extra drivers that are already available?
 

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Is it possible to have different divers in the same Extreme and switch between them without a TeamViewer session?

Not for the same DAC. That is why we need the USB descriptor which is unique to each DAC. This uniqueness is to avoid multiple drivers to be loaded for one device which would lead to unpredictable behaviour. The Operating System loads the driver matching the (unique) hardware ID.
 

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Ackcheng, you have some very sophisticated DSP running in your system! Bacch crosstalk cancellation in combination with Acourate? You could start a thread that I bet a lot of people would be interested in.

I spent a long time evaluating Bacch and think it's great but found some tradeoffs that ultimately sent me back to stereo, but I do miss what the cross talk cancellation brings. I also looked into Accourate and decided it was, for me, too complex and have rebounded to a very simple system.
Hi Wil,
What tradeoffs did you eventually find that made you decide against the Bacch? I spent 3 hours (some 25 reference tracks) yesterday listening to it in a high end rig and are happy to share my impressions, but very curious on yours.
 

Ackcheng

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It takes a bit of time and effort to get the L/R speaker in perfect symmetry to bring out the best of BACCH. You can see the step response of my L-R speaker and the corresponding frequency response. But this is off topic so I think we should bring this elsewhere.
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Yes, this is hardly ideal, it only serves as an example on how to get more consistency. We are working on a better solution for this right now.

Emile, with the Amplifi router did you replace the stock power supply? Just curious since it supplies power via a USB-C connection and if I did bother to replace it I would probably just hard wire it since USB-C is a pain to work with.
 

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