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I have no freaking idea why this is happening. impressive nonetheless

It's interesting watching people basically take a short position on their own country, their own communities. The value in BTC could be invested in things that have innate value, or could be used to support our own gov't via bonds.

It's also interesting to hear the uproar about NFT sales being so energy intensive, with some artists called out for their hypocrisy while using the same thing for money seems to get a pass.

BTC is just another massive human folly and mostly based on either fear or corruption. Blockchain has promise and some interesting applications, but it's gotta be more efficient.
 

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BTC is just another massive human folly and mostly based on either fear or corruption. Blockchain has promise and some interesting applications, but it's gotta be more efficient.

Even if true, at least it isn't shitty fiat. Bank savings account anyone? HAHAHA
 

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I have no freaking idea why this is happening.

Is this because you think Bitcoin is not "real" or like tulips, or why, exactly?
 

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I think all those who speak out against crypto do so because that mentally justifies to them why they missed the ride. That keeps intact their reasoning of what is the right investment and finance, their world, similar to how those who know Wilson and Magico refuse to accept their might be a world that actually produces much better sound at much cheaper prices. This keeps their sanity intact.

There are many end use cases in crypto, such as coins which are fan tokens (sport applications), games like pokemon, NFTs are just another form of collectibles, no better than one or the other. There are derivatives exchanges, lending, money transfers, much higher interest rates than what banks are paying out, super computing, distributed network systems, innovative storage solutions similar to Google cloud, etc. All these are (mostly) cheaper and faster than the traditional. Music royalty chains to compete with spotify that pays artists too

Bitcoin is just the flagship that started it and its use case is a store of value, similar to gold. Many other coins have actual cash flows.

There are also developments on the energy saving front. The point is to use blockchain, Decentralization, not have one controlling body, and innovate.

It is not too late. Even Elon musk, general motors, etc are jumping in now. So if you have missed it, sell your audio gear, and put the money into crypto now. You have lost the money anyway, at least this way you might make a lot to then buy your dream system
 
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DaveC

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I think all those who speak out against crypto do so because that mentally justifies to them why they missed the ride.

Lol so presumptious!

No bonzo, I have no money to invest in anything but my own business. I'll bet on myself rather than something that's a detriment to the world.
 

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Lol so presumptious!

No bonzo, I have no money to invest in anything but my own business. I'll bet on myself rather than something that's a detriment to the world.

Again, that is a brave statement but doesn't address crypto at all. Will be impactful in a movie
 

DaveC

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Again, that is a brave statement but doesn't address crypto at all. Will be impactful in a movie
Not brave imo. I have addressed btc plenty, no need to repeat it.

If I did invest it would be with a compqny that has blockchain tech with leading energy efficiency.

I'm not anti blockchain, I am anti btc though.

Btw its NOT decentralized, Chinese are mining a vast majority. Might as wel be CCP dollars.
 

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Even if true, at least it isn't shitty fiat. Bank savings account anyone? HAHAHA

Thanks for making my point for me.
 

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Not brave imo. I have addressed btc plenty, no need to repeat it.

If I did invest it would be with a compqny that has blockchain tech with leading energy efficiency.

I'm not anti blockchain, I am anti btc though.

Btw its NOT decentralized, Chinese are mining a vast majority. Might as wel be CCP dollars.

Actually, you didn't even understand my post. No problem. It is not too late. Enter crypto, and you will learn and relate. Usually when people don't reply to the point, it is because they can't relate.
 

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There is no point smashing btc. It is here to stay and crypto is adding value. Join, or be left behind. You can continue to smash btc to make a point strongly, further proof you are trying to add sanity to your perspective
 
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Actually, you didn't even understand my post. No problem. It is not too late. Enter crypto, and you will learn and relate. Usually when people don't reply to the point, it is because they can't relate.
Lol yet again bonzo.

You do not know me. I investigated btc and looked into buying mining gear when btc was in the single digits.

I will invest in more mature tech that isnt a massive detriment to the world.

Money is not my 1st, 2nd or 3rd priority in life either. Lol... The things people justify when money is involved.

You think I'm ignorant and stubborn, I think you're basically a chimp.
 

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Again, crypto is not btc alone. I keep saying. Look at those which are energy efficient. Btc is a store of value. Crypto has use cases and energy efficiency.
 
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If I did invest it would be with a compqny that has blockchain tech with leading energy efficiency.


This list of publicly-traded blockchain companies excludes Bitcoin miners and excludes the several publicly-traded frauds I invested in in 2017:

Coinsilium
DigitalX
Galaxy Digital
KR1
 
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This list of publicly-traded blockchain companies excludes Bitcoin miners and excludes the several publicly-traded frauds I invested in in 2017:

Coinsilium
DigitalX
Galaxy Digital
KR1

Thanks, I'll pass that on to my Dad... It is true all my money goes back into ZenWave... that new speaker isn't paying for it's self! My Dad is pretty tech-savvy, he helped put together the world's first parallel processing supercomputer and was in charge of computer security at Sandia National Labs until he retired about 8 years ago. The parallel processing computer took up a small warehouse and had dozens of these massive washing-machine sized disk drive machines. I was a kid and had no idea the significance of what was going on!
 
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DaveC

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Again, crypto is not btc alone. I keep saying...


It's obvious I know that, it's obvious everyone posting here knows that. You "keep saying" in order to frame this as me being ignorant, as me being upset I missed out. Both things are extremely insulting for starters, to presume you know this about me and publicly state it as fact says a lot more about you than it does about me. It's not only insulting, it's dishonest and manipulative. I think it goes as far as trolling for a reaction, which is against TOU. I'd appreciate it if you'd reflect a bit on what you post, and maybe refrain from being so insulting? Just a thought...

I am neither ignorant, I understand how blockchain and cryptocurrency works, nor has anyone missed out, myself included. BTC is still going up, or maybe you haven't noticed? In any case I haven't missed out at all because I have NO MONEY to invest, it's ALL in ZenWave. ALL of it. Not sure how I can say this so you get it. How about this... I also "missed out" on buying that new collectible Ferrari, except wait a minute! I can't because I don't have the cash. So no bonzo, I have neither "missed out", nor am I ignorant on the subject.
 

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Even if true, at least it isn't shitty fiat. Bank savings account anyone? HAHAHA

Going back to this...

"shitty"fiat".... Fiat currency is what we all agree it is! Your attitude towards fiat currency is betting against yourself, betting against your own family, and betting against your own country. The USA isn't perfect, the banking system isn't perfect and the Fed certainly isn't a perfect institution. But it's what we have and IMO we should try to make it better rather than tear it down. It is surely NOT in your best interest for the US dollar to become weaker!

It's these "shitty fiat" kind of beliefs that drive a lot of the crypto market. I think it's worth really investigating these beliefs because I think they will not lead to pleasant outcomes when acted upon. I believe a lot of resentment is misdirected to the system when the real issue is simply corruption. Any system can work, but any system can also be brought down by corruption. I think it's difficult to argue that btc and crypto isn't an asset to corruption of many forms. If BTC is to become adopted as a store of value like gold it has some issues that need to be addressed which will make it less of an asset for corruption, but this will also cause it to lose value.

Also, while simultaneously betting against yourself, and taking money that could be invested in companies that provide value, or in US bonds that benefits the USA, the folks getting the most benefit out of the increasing value of btc is the CCP. This is undeniable, and I have heard arguments that it's fine. Ok, lets not get into that! But let's see this with open eyes too. It's a fact. Of course anyone who holds btc benefits as well, sure, but the fact is that most btc mining is in China, so if a majority of btc is held by one person that is an issue. Also, Satoshi, the founder of btc, has enough it would disrupt the market if he dumped them. This NOT decentralized in a good way!

I don't need to write a book and repeat other issues I've mentioned recently, but I think your post is really a perfect example of the attitude that fuels crypto, and I think it needs to be fully examined. I think this kind of distrust, the conspiracy theories we've seen recently, etc. are poison. This thinking is also encouraged by Russia, CCP, North Korea, etc. via social media, this is pretty much fact at this point. They encourage it to harm us.

Fiat currency is not good or bad, it is exactly what we agree it is. The same can be true with crypto, but right now I think it's showcasing the worst aspects of human nature. It's brand new though, and the underlying technology is novel, so it will take some time for it to mature.

Bank savings account is more secure than under the mattress, it has it's uses. Low interest rates are good, it makes borrowing money to invest in a business opportunity a lot easier. It makes owning a home a lot easier. My car payments are lower. I'm ok with it. :)
 

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Is this because you think Bitcoin is not "real" or like tulips, or why, exactly?
It's not real, and even if others really think it is, what is the VALUE behind it. I see nothing but gambling.
 

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It's not real, and even if others really think it is, what is the VALUE behind it. I see nothing but gambling.

My father has this view and does not understand Bitcoin either. This view makes me bullish on Bitcoin.

Do green pieces of paper printed and distributed by the United States Treasury have any value other than the value individuals assign to them and treat them as having?

What is the inherent value of US$1? Anything other than the value we all collectively choose to assign to it, and whatever good, service or property someone will trade us for it?
 
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Gambling or not I am at +45% since yesterday morning !!!!
 

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It's not real, and even if others really think it is, what is the VALUE behind it. I see nothing but gambling.

So this doesn't look real to you?












FYI basically all fiat is digital.
 
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