Zero Distortion: Tango Time

[bonzo75]

Tang if you increase your system budget you can listen to this music

https://www.facebook.com/122870457794297/posts/2284363068311681

 

[Audiophile Bill]

Tang if you increase your system budget you can listen to this music

https://www.facebook.com/122870457794297/posts/2284363068311681

 

[Tango]

I know what you two are thinking but unavoidably you have to blame on the phone that was recording and that software that was being played.

Lately I started to realize that you can use some records that were mastered or remastered to create WOW to spellbound audience. They should have used the AP 45 Belafonte like when Mr.Fremer dj'ed in the AFO demo.

Kind regards,
Tang

 

[Folsom]

My iphone’s mic seems to be impossible to capture anything like the quality of Tang’s Samsung.

I have an old Samsung phone maybe I should try it...

 

[NorthStar]

Tango knows how to use an Android.

 

[bonzo75]

I know what you two are thinking but unavoidably you have to blame on the phone that was recording and that software that was being played.

Lately I started to realize that you can use some records that were mastered or remastered to create WOW to spellbound audience. They should have used the AP 45 Belafonte like when Mr.Fremer dj'ed in the AFO demo.

Kind regards,
Tang

Fremer did the SAT direct drive demo

 

[Folsom]

Ok well my old Samsung is a little better than the iPhone (still can't seem to capture anything remotely near solid and forceful texture, sounds softer, etc, catching some kind of reflection or something you can't hear in person, too). Ugh, am I gonna switch BACK to Samsung when I'm done with my XS?

Trying something different seems to help violin a little, but maybe the fact is that you just need a head shape in my room.

 

[stehno]

Youtube don't show little micro dynamic, small nuances, micro textures, dimensionality, small stuff that poke at you while listening even when you don't pay attention. That guy was right there standing right behind my right side speaker singing to me. And the piano on the left. Listen to the high keys at the end of the song. There is nothing covering up notes that are vibrating. No warmth smear. Also have to give credit to the vdh Master Sig. It is the most revealing cart imo.

Kind regards,
Tang

Interesting. I think Youtube does a surprisingly good job of preserving a number of various nuances and attributes in a given recording including the ambient info provided it’s in the recording. All within reason of course.

Here’s a little in-room recording via Youtube that might better demonstrate my point.

 

[spiritofmusic]

I think I'm finally getting the message on best pressings/superior performances.

I've always loved my Bartok: Concert For Orchestra, 1968 CBS Pierre Boulez lp pressing. Warm and immersive, but maybe lacking a little detail and drive.

Just picked up a 1966 DG, H. Von Karajan lp version.

Altogether a different experience, faster, more agile, but no lack of tonal colors.

"Finale" just nailed on this copy.

Yes, I'm getting the concept, much less marked in the rock lp world.

 

[Tango]

I am expanding my collection on Ed Pong's Ultra Analog tapes. Yesterday another lot of his tapes came in. The piece I show in video is a Hungarian Rhapsody #2 by I dont know who either Mami Hagiwara or Yun-Yang Lee. This is my new reference software for piano. The air in my room was just vibrating. For tape people, this one is more than worth the price. You also get B Kruetzer Presto and Kroll Banjo & Fiddle in this tape. I did not look carefully when I ordered this tape. I actually wanted the First Movement Kreutzer. I did not see it is Presto.

 

[Tango]

Kodomo san. You have to buy this tape man. The Kruetzer is not the highlight. The Hungagrian is.

 

[kodomo]

I was just thinking the same thing! Now, it is on my June shopping list. I will order it. Thank you for letting us know. I will need a NAB MRL tape to enjoy throughly, I have IEC MRL tape and I know Ed prefers NAB.

 

[kodomo]

If I may ask, how is the first tape, the Beethoven Violin Sonata 9?

 

[Tango]

If I may ask, how is the first tape, the Beethoven Violin Sonata 9?

Now that you ask me about B 9, I just realized that I also bought the whole Kreutzer. I often forgot what I have bought...sorry. The Hungarian Rhap also had Kreutzer but only part of it. Anyway, this is my opinion. The B9 tape you buy and you will be happy and not disappoint...excellent sound. I am also happy to have it. Just finished listening to it actually. However, I, Tango, happen to have a killer champion of the world vinyl front and a superb pressing of the Heifetz Kreutzer from G. I prefer this particular B on my vinyl. Sonically the vinyl only lose out to Ed's tape on surface noise. But Heifetz performance is just untouchable. And the way they recorded are different. From Ed's tape violin is less stand out while I am thinking the piano tend to "offside" (like football) and made me question if it is a Violin Sonata? On contrary Heifetz is more the focus standing out ahead of piano. I like this presentation more. So, my comment is more of a personal preference listening to a violin sonata.

Kind regards,
Tang

 

[bonzo75]

Now that you ask me about B 9, I just realized that I also bought the whole Kreutzer. I often forgot what I have bought...sorry. The Hungarian Rhap also had Kreutzer but only part of it. Anyway, this is my opinion. The B9 tape you buy and you will be happy and not disappoint...excellent sound. I am also happy to have it. Just finished listening to it actually. However, I, Tango, happen to have a killer champion of the world vinyl front and a superb pressing of the Heifetz Kreutzer from G. I prefer this particular B on my vinyl. Sonically the vinyl only lose out to Ed's tape on surface noise. But Heifetz performance is just untouchable. And the way they recorded are different. From Ed's tape violin is less stand out while I am thinking the piano tend to "offside" (like football) and made me question if it is a Violin Sonata? On contrary Heifetz is more the focus standing out ahead of piano. I like this presentation more. So, my comment is more of a personal preference listening to a violin sonata.

Kind regards,
Tang

It's not a personal preference. It is the fact why tape will not match LPs, except for the fact that those tapes are easier to source and buy

 

[kodomo]

Now that you ask me about B 9, I just realized that I also bought the whole Kreutzer. I often forgot what I have bought...sorry. The Hungarian Rhap also had Kreutzer but only part of it. Anyway, this is my opinion. The B9 tape you buy and you will be happy and not disappoint...excellent sound. I am also happy to have it. Just finished listening to it actually. However, I, Tango, happen to have a killer champion of the world vinyl front and a superb pressing of the Heifetz Kreutzer from G. I prefer this particular B on my vinyl. Sonically the vinyl only lose out to Ed's tape on surface noise. But Heifetz performance is just untouchable. And the way they recorded are different. From Ed's tape violin is less stand out while I am thinking the piano tend to "offside" (like football) and made me question if it is a Violin Sonata? On contrary Heifetz is more the focus standing out ahead of piano. I like this presentation more. So, my comment is more of a personal preference listening to a violin sonata.

Kind regards,
Tang

This is also about the art of recording. You vinyl has the performance recorded by legends like Alan Reeve. If you look at his resume you would be amazed!

Ed is great and I have a tape and a cd from him and is incredible that he has achieved his current status, kudos to him.

I don't now why Kedar is saying tape can not match vinyl. Is it because you can not find these performances dubbed from master tapes (some people can for some of them) or do you think inherently tape can not provide what vinyl does for violin or these performances? I can not think why would that be as nearly none of these legendary recordings are direct cuts, they are all recorded to tape and transferred from there.

 

[bonzo75]

Because you cannot find tapes for legendary performances. I have no doubt that tape of the same performance can better LP of the same performance, but you just cannot find tapes for the LPs that G has

 

[bonzo75]

When you do eventually find tapes of the legendary performances they are a later generation and poor sounding, not master tapes

 

[christoph]

When you do eventually find tapes of the legendary performances they are a later generation and poor sounding, not master tapes

Ked, you amaze me time and again how you can state something as if it was a stone hard fact

 

[bonzo75]

Ked, you amaze me time and again how you can state something as if it was a stone hard fact

Let me know if you find those master tapes instead of amazing yourself time and time again on LP and tape performances which frankly you do not interest yourself in