I said I would never buy another Turntable...Argh !!!

Tang
Looks wonderful love the arm board for the SAT
Still Mr Dog more beautiful

Looks like the SAT is made for the AS
How does it compare with the airforce which I have?
 
Oh Dave, didn't I tell you I was flying all the way to Tang to try an upgraded pwr cord on his AS motor controller, and relay the results to you?

Something tells me, however, you already know...
 
Oh Dave, didn't I tell you I was flying all the way to Tang to try an upgraded pwr cord on his AS motor controller, and relay the results to you?

Something tells me, however, you already know...

He told me he couldn't wait and already sent you a first class ticket!

david
 
It's having that much weight, inertia at the end of a tonearm is counterintuitive to me specially with the 3012-R's relatively light tube and knife edge bearing.

david

Do you think there's a better arm for SPU's due to this weight issue? I've found that the SME headshell sounds much better with my vintage MM carts.
 
Do you think there's a better arm for SPU's due to this weight issue? I've found that the SME headshell sounds much better with my vintage MM carts.

There are no issues with SPUs the Arché headshell looks extremely heavy, I'd say about 500 grams and with many moving parts. 500 grams is like a record weight imagine that at the end of your tonearm.

david

PS. I find the SME headshell sounding great with all my modern cartridges too:)!
 
There are no issues with SPUs the Arché headshell looks extremely heavy, I'd say about 500 grams and with many moving parts. 500 grams is like a record weight imagine that at the end of your tonearm.

david

Poor SME 3012R! I think that is an extra zero in your numbers ...
 
Poor SME 3012R! I think that is an extra zero in your numbers ...

You're probably right Francisco :) 500g was a figure of speech because it looks so massive but even at 50g it's still 10x the SME headshell.

david
 
You're probably right Francisco :) 500g was a figure of speech because it looks so massive but even at 50g it's still 10x the SME headshell.

david

I will weigh mine tonight as I am in between carts with it. I was thinking of putting an A90 on it...The transformer look ! A90 and Arche' visually complement each other.
 
1) No needle effect on speed.
2) +/- 0.005 when idling.

I can snap a picture at 33.333 and 45.000 quite easily.

Kind regards,
Tang :)
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Yes I have to admit this table doesn’t stay at 33.333 all the time.....sometimes drifts to 33.334..........but for a belt drive with the mass of the AS, to maintain that level of speed accuracy is truly impressive......Congrats Mr. DDK......

Cheers.....
 
Yes I have to admit this table doesn’t stay at 33.333 all the time.....sometimes drifts to 33.334..........but for a belt drive with the mass of the AS, to maintain that level of speed accuracy is truly impressive......Congrats Mr. DDK......
Cheers.....

A lot of credit goes to Bill Carlin and his custom work for us too.

david
 
Beautiful. Are you using the standard SME rubber grommets in the base?

Hello micro,

I was trying to get the GFS into the SME but couldn’t so didn’t even look at what kind of grommet it has.

The Arche has two types one is SME which has the same overhang as SME. The other is universal which is longer. I just found out I mistakenly gave the wrong one to Christian. (Sorry Christian.:() He has the longer one. Both are heavier than the SME. If everyone saying the Arche is too heavy for the SME then I will have more homework looking for a lighter replacement. Otherwise I can’t use the 3012R with the Goldfinger. Anyway, the combo sounds promising. Very very dynamic and exciting. That was my first impression. I found it has a different “flavor” to the SAT/Opus1 combo that is mounted on opposite side to it. The GFS is brand new I don’t know how long it takes to sound its best. I will try to get all carts to sound at their best on this tt. So I will also switch arms to find if there is a better matching. Right now I can say SAT/Opus1 is pretty much at its best.

Kind regards,
Tang
 
Tang
Looks wonderful love the arm board for the SAT
Still Mr Dog more beautiful

Looks like the SAT is made for the AS
How does it compare with the airforce which I have?

Hi Gardener,

I put SAT on the AS2000 first because I was so eager to hear how they work together comparing to the SAT/Kronos and SAT/AF1. It impressed me enough to say this is the best front end I have. By this I can only mean the whole setup with Stacore rack+plaform and EMT JPA66 phono. I have to live with 3012R for a while to know if I like it as much as SAT and Axiom. Hopefully I do. It costs a lot less than the other two :D.

Kind regards,
Tang
 
Hello micro,

I was trying to get the GFS into the SME but couldn’t so didn’t even look at what kind of grommet it has.

The Arche has two types one is SME which has the same overhang as SME. The other is universal which is longer. I just found out I mistakenly gave the wrong one to Christian. (Sorry Christian.:() He has the longer one. Both are heavier than the SME. If everyone saying the Arche is too heavy for the SME then I will have more homework looking for a lighter replacement. Otherwise I can’t use the 3012R with the Goldfinger. Anyway, the combo sounds promising. Very very dynamic and exciting. That was my first impression. I found it has a different “flavor” to the SAT/Opus1 combo that is mounted on opposite side to it. The GFS is brand new I don’t know how long it takes to sound its best. I will try to get all carts to sound at their best on this tt. So I will also switch arms to find if there is a better matching. Right now I can say SAT/Opus1 is pretty much at its best.

Kind regards,
Tang

For reference...the Arche’ 5D Tang sent me weighs 20 grams. An SME 3012R headshell weighs 8 grams by comparison.

The heavy headshell may be a good match for the very light Shelter Harmony carbon fiber with carbon fiber cart screws. I’m trying the A90 first. Length of headshell does not matter to me using the DB Systems protractor with David’s bayonet Cart alignment jig.
 
Hello micro,

I was trying to get the GFS into the SME but couldn’t so didn’t even look at what kind of grommet it has.

The Arche has two types one is SME which has the same overhang as SME. The other is universal which is longer. I just found out I mistakenly gave the wrong one to Christian. (Sorry Christian.:() He has the longer one. Both are heavier than the SME. If everyone saying the Arche is too heavy for the SME then I will have more homework looking for a lighter replacement. Otherwise I can’t use the 3012R with the Goldfinger. Anyway, the combo sounds promising. Very very dynamic and exciting. That was my first impression. I found it has a different “flavor” to the SAT/Opus1 combo that is mounted on opposite side to it. The GFS is brand new I don’t know how long it takes to sound its best. I will try to get all carts to sound at their best on this tt. So I will also switch arms to find if there is a better matching. Right now I can say SAT/Opus1 is pretty much at its best.

Kind regards,
Tang

Sorry if I was not clear, but I was addressing the rubber grommets at the base of the tonearm. Did you keep them or did you discard them? It is not clear from your photo.
 

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Sorry if I was not clear, but I was addressing the rubber grommets at the base of the tonearm. Did you keep them or did you discard them? It is not clear from your photo.

Didn’t realize this also. I don’t think I have the rubber grommets. Any recommendation you may give me?

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Tang
 
Didn’t realize this also. I don’t think I have the rubber grommets. Any recommendation you may give me?

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Tang

I put fresh grommets for you, they're absolutely essential. Looks like you over tightened the screws open them up the grommets shouldn't be squashed. Just tighten down to the point that the that there's no space between the screw head and the top of the arm base.

david
 
For reference...the Arche’ 5D Tang sent me weighs 20 grams. An SME 3012R headshell weighs 8 grams by comparison.

The heavy headshell may be a good match for the very light Shelter Harmony carbon fiber with carbon fiber cart screws. I’m trying the A90 first. Length of headshell does not matter to me using the DB Systems protractor with David’s bayonet Cart alignment jig.
It should be fine then.

david
 
Tang is using what looks like a rigid, static mass loaded rack system with some dampening in the structure plus perhaps some passive constrained layer technology.

Not perhaps but for sure, Peter. It is a complicated leg-in-a-leg construction with a special viscoelastic filling of controlled hardness in between. There is our own coupling method involved - one leg couples to the floor, other to the crates that support shelves/platforms. Also vertical couplings between the legs and coupling carte-leg is our proprietary technology. We are the first and only ones to go that extreme with an audio rack construction.

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And yes, this is a rigid top rack per David instructions (only a painted 1" stainless steel plate on the top). A cutomized Advanced platform works under the RIAA, and a constrained layer shelf on the lowest tier under the PSU.
Cheers,
 
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