i have no desire for that. Listen I have been here for almost six years. So just about any point you raise I have already addressed it.
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What exactly is your degree in? Because given the "Is jitter stored with a file on a Hard Drive thread" I'm honestly curious. I know it's not as an EE.
And if you avail yourself of the subjective only forum you won't be bothered by a Cisco, Juniper, HP whatever guy. BTW I don't personally roll with a multimeter. We just ran 2700 foot of CAT6 yesterday and today in a 63K sq foot facility and certified it all with a Fluke DTX-1800.
4 VLANS (AV, Phones, DVR, Computer Data) and QOS applied through out the stack. BTW the stuff the guys with Crestron where doing was SICK. They have a movie theater in the place too (all JBL/Crown/BSS/Christie/Denon Pro). I got the boring stuff of architecting the network.
So you can totally start a thread in the subjective forum about how you can hear the differences in Ethernet cables.
I can start a thread in the objective form and use papers from T.I. and Siemons that talk about noise immunity in structured Ethernet up to 30Mhz.
And if we both follow the TOS we won't be bugging each other.
So you know the requirements of that sub forum and....... You post there counter to that.
I find it oddly hypocritical. But it's refreshing to see someone owning their trolling behavior. Thx.
My understanding is that WBF was a substantially subjectivist forum at its origin. It was senior, experienced, highly-respected subjectivist members who became disillusioned last year with the direction of, and bickering on, WBF and who left WBF, I believe, to the detriment of WBF.
I think a "takeover" of WBF by objectivists should be repelled. I do not see why the subjectivists, very likely a majority of the members here, should be herded into a corral.
The members who belittle and torment the subjectivists know exactly what they are doing. What, Amir, is to prevent the objectivists from injecting their usual sarcasm and belittlements into the dedicated subjectivist forum?
Will the moderator of the subjectivist forum be much quicker to ban members who are the slightest bit sarcastic or critical of subjectivist audiophile preferences and views? If yes, shouldn't that moderator be a subjectivist himself?
I think a "takeover" of WBF by objectivists should be repelled. I do not see why the subjectivists, very likely a majority of the members here, should be herded into a corral.
The members who belittle and torment the subjectivists know exactly what they are doing. What, Amir, is to prevent the objectivists from injecting their usual sarcasm and belittlements into the dedicated subjectivist forum?
Will the moderator of the subjectivist forum be much quicker to ban members who are the slightest bit sarcastic or critical of subjectivist audiophile preferences and views? If yes, shouldn't that moderator be a subjectivist himself?
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This is a prime example why no one should be excluded from comment.
This is a prime example why no one should be excluded from comment.
Good post Ron
Im on steves and the other mods side here ..all respect and credibility Amir had in my mind was destroyed when he started posting PM's and his behaviour right now as a dictator is shocking and totally divisive..
He must go
#amirmustfall
Im on steves and the other mods side here ..all respect and credibility Amir had in my mind was destroyed when he started posting PM's and his behaviour right now as a dictator is shocking and totally divisive..
He must go
#amirmustfall
What do expect someone do to when they are misrepresented? Amir has every right to.
A gentlemens agreement is: You don't lie and misrepresent what I've said or done and I won't provide the PM's and other communications to rebut them.
Amir has every reasonable right to address accusations. If I lie about what you said you have every right and reasonable measure to take those steps.
I don't normally PM because I'll say it to you publicly.
To use the excuse that PM's should remain private reminds me of politicians that say one thing publicly and then want to hold closed hearings.
yeh..I read thru the BS justification..but in my subjective mind anyone revealing PMs ..especially a moderator, is lower than snakes belly on any forum I frequent , including this one
#armirmustfall
#armirmustfall
I am missing a great deal here because music is subjective by its very nature. Any reproduction of it is an intrepretation at best. How you paint the painting cannot by its very design be purely objective.
Summary: The entire subjective/objective discussion is bullshit.
Summary: The entire subjective/objective discussion is bullshit.
I would like to see more respect towards subjective experience. I don't mind objective information because there's no way I can't use it to design equipment. But at times my choices are based on subjective differences, because I can hear it, and the measurements are not telling me anything. The last thing I want is someone telling me what's what with my own experiences, for my choices; that I'm just wrong. I think that's how people here feel at times.
It seems simple to say, "here's some information." But it comes out, "here's why you're wrong and delusional" and that's inflammatory so it goes right to problems. That's were people can't leave it alone until the other person/s give up and it's no longer valuable to the forum.
It seems simple to say, "here's some information." But it comes out, "here's why you're wrong and delusional" and that's inflammatory so it goes right to problems. That's were people can't leave it alone until the other person/s give up and it's no longer valuable to the forum.
I agree Win; but that's the view of many. Nobody decides of the direction to follow but the people themselves.
No one person created this, but everyone together.
Any good jazz music lately? ...Best is yet to come.
Let me share this with you Tom: In one of my ex-work I planted over two million trees, my friend planted over two million trees, eight more friends planted over two million trees.
Between the ten of us we planted over twenty million trees.
One hundred co-workers planted less than two million trees among all themselves.
Walk in our forests twenty, forty, sixty, hundred years later, and you won't find a forest less "quality" than the next. The trees they grow straight, tall, happy and healthy.
Only the nature of the elements can affect their growth more or less towards their ultimate reach and richness.
There is a force, a quality of the totality that is incommensurable. You walked among twenty plus million trees in the forest, or you walk among two million trees in the next.
There is more walking in the largest one, and there is no quality better in the smaller one. A tree has a life of its own, and many trees build more houses, wood bridges, wood balconies, rewards and reaps more revenues and without one dollar being better quality than the other one. ...It's growth, natural growth, and only the quality of the soil plus the natural elements (rain, sun) has the best natural influence on them trees and forests.
I could write several books on the tree species @ various altitudes but I won't.
You have better chance to have more quality posts in more of them than less of them. There is a natural human balance that draw all by itself, a current energy more powerful than men's own direction. It's up to us to make that balance by choosing wisely and selectively what we're reading. And from more readings there are better chance to learn than less reading.
This is just one of my views, among many more. I thought especially of you sharing it here. And what I just said is no fiction, it's the real truth; physically, spiritually, strategically, ecologically and economically. That's what I did for almost thirty years with many many co-workers like me...'high-ballers' and 'low-ballers'...high caliber tree-planters, and less high caliber tree-planters...all kind of tree-planters...but the ultimate common goal was the same...more quality forests for more people of planet Earth.
And the impact of more "quantity" forests means more "quality" positive attributes for everybody...human race, wildlife, ecologic balance, good for the flow of rivers, the level of lakes, the snow melt, the water reservoirs, the ocean's health, the fishes, the clean air, the oxygen...everything that is good on Earth...fruits, gardens, humans, dogs and cats, birds, wildlife habitats, cosmos, atmospheric ozone, anti-pollutants, natural protective ultra-violet radiation, brief...the mind, body, health, spirit, soul and love of the entire humanity...men women and children. Plus the fact that you plant more keeps your body in shape and your mind shark and always on edge. ...Like climbing mountains and surf them down.
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General acknowledgement (essay, for everyone - "You" here means "everyone"):
You can run your own site with only quality posting; everyone who post quantity over quality you can ban them.
Only the best.
And the best also comes from the rest...the more trees, the more forests...to provide more and more advantages for more people everywhere.
Cheer up, it's better than what you think. Look @ the positive side of it, instead of being negative of the dreams you once had and still trying to hold on to.
The world around you is rolling, and it's not one person that makes it rolling, it's everyone...all the people in it.
You cannot control what cannot be controlled, including people. Nobody can. There is a natural force that we cannot fight...the vastness of the forests.
And no one can give directives without people accepting and adapting them to their own positive lifestyle. Our values we choose them ourselves, and nobody else.
Trust yourself without imposing it to others. ...That's in general sense I'm saying that...not directed towards you or me specifically, but more thinking from my own way of living. ...Like free spoken words, like trees in a forest, like rain bouncing up from the car tops.
Yes, and the other side of that extreme, self-aggrandizing POV is "somebody has to rebut all that audiophool voodoo." When you find the tweaks and cables and turntables and brands, and the new "what we hear" forums filled with objectivists coming in to disrupt threads there, the objectivists will be behaving as badly as you do. Until then, it won't be hard to figure out where the problem is.
Tim
Fifty years ago subjective /objective debate simply did not exist , reviews consisted of measurements, specifications, and facilities if there was a 'subjective' component it was no more than a comparison to a known standard, ie comparing midrange of the speaker under review to a Quad .
The magazines , retailers and some manufacturers have in my opinion a great to answer for.
Keith.
The magazines , retailers and some manufacturers have in my opinion a great to answer for.
Keith.
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