What are the Top Horn Speakers in the World Today? Vox Olympian vs Avantgarde Trio vs ???

[gleeds]

Albert Von Schweikert has used the wave-cancelling technique for years, and we still do it today using our Foundation analog control suite (no DSP required). Generally, we place two subs at the rear of the room, and we have not found a room yet where we could not mitigate bass room modes to a significant effect. Would four be better? Perhaps with an especially noxious room.

We also like to combine room mode cancellation with additional bass reinforcement. This can be done in a front/rear arrangement (four woofers or simply upfront, as we do with our Ultra 11 speakers, using one sub for reinforcement and the other for wave cancellation. In our experience, it's almost always best to face the wave-cancelling woofer firing toward the wall.

JR is a fantastic resource, as is Duke, who first introduced his swarm approach quite some time ago. I might add that Duke's system is quite a good value. Duke, good to see you still supporting the mighty SoundLabs

The Swarm Subwoofer System

www.audiokinesis.com

Von Schweikert's new 10" sealed Foundation subwoofer, and a higher power vented 12" subwoofer below.

 

[Kingrex]

You simply repeated your claim that horns sound thin and added the qualification that they are the horns you have heard without explaining how you reached your conclusion.

By listening and my personal observation. I have said that over and over. Would you rather I go back to school, get a electrical engineering degree, beg for a job with Ralph to actually learn, then formula a mathematical calculation?

 

[Audiohertz2]

There is a website under his signature. I know you are not good at listening but this is now about reading

Im sure during your teller training they thought you what a web address suppose to look like , i only found a instagram post with a recording so thin and poor in Timbre , it made Rex’s horn comment solid as a rock ..!

Help me out and post a website addy .. !

 

[bonzo75]

Im sure during your teller training they thought you what a web address suppose to look like , i only found a instagram post with a recording so thin and poor in Timbre , it made Rex’s horn comment solid as a rock ..!

Help me out and post a website addy .. !

Hornsolutions creates the extraordinary. Western Electric horns

Hornsolutions, the perfect synthesis of the past and the future in horn design and development. Western Electric replicas adapted to highest audio standards

www.hornsolutions.de

 

[Audiohertz2]

Now please send it to Swen so he can add it to his signature instead of attacking me for asking ..!

 

[Audiohertz2]

Ok , calling all video experts to comment , Rex is looking like a genius about now ..!

 

[Al M.]

Im sure during your teller training they thought you what a web address suppose to look like , i only found a instagram post with a recording so thin and poor in Timbre , it made Rex’s horn comment solid as a rock ..!

Help me out and post a website addy .. !

You mean this one?

Ouch.

But maybe it's just the phone recording that is bad, who knows. Benefit of the doubt and such....

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[Audiohertz2]

Both videos exhibit all the negative horn traits most people have with horns , the cuphands coloration is the most obvious on the u boob video ….

 

[Kingrex]

I have mine running on a loop of music with my Audion SET 845 and a Lin Lai tube. Its actually coming together. The richness of the 845 and the very high resolution of the Radian are working well together. I am going to be very pleased when its dialed in. The CD high frequency horn which is the large wood horn is too hot. Needs to be dialed back some.

What the system will have a little trouble doing is the mid bass with the 10" open baffle. Listening to Sinatra Duets, when a saxophone or horn blatts, it doesn't have the grit and bite of the real instrument. Maybe that will come out more when the horn is dialed back. But really, it would probably benefit from a direct coupled amp to the driver to control it. But really, a horn midrange would be the ticket.

The BB10 horn woofer I have is a match made in heaven. Its doing way more than I realized. Its such a good woofer. I want a second one. If I got a horn midrange, for all intentions, I would have a full horn system.with some open baffle woofer support.

 

[PeterA]

Ok , calling all video experts to comment , Rex is looking like a genius about now ..!

I agree that this video in show conditions sounds quite thin. It is not one of the better horn videos out there. I do not think Rex was describing this system, only the ones he has heard. I would not necessarily attribute the thinness of the presentation to the horns though. How could one be sure it is not something else, the amps, the vinyl source, the wires?

I would like to hear from Swen about what he thinks of the sound of these two videos showing his speakers. Are they representative of the sound in the room?

 

[microstrip]

Albert Von Schweikert has used the wave-cancelling technique for years, and we still do it today using our Foundation analog control suite (no DSP required). Generally, we place two subs at the rear of the room, and we have not found a room yet where we could not mitigate bass room modes to a significant effect. Would four be better? Perhaps with an especially noxious room. (...)

Very interesting - after a few days of REW measurements and lot of woofer walk in my new room I ended up using such technique (two subs at the rear) with success, although I had never read anything on it. Do you know of any links describing it including the set up technique?

 

[gleeds]

Very interesting - after a few days of REW measurements and lot of woofer walk in my new room I ended up using such technique (two subs at the rear) with success, although I had never read anything on it. Do you know of any links describing it including the set up technique?

Microstrip. So glad to hear you obtained good results. If you PM me, I would be happy to share further insights.

 

[AudioHR]

Im sure during your teller training they thought you what a web address suppose to look like , i only found a instagram post with a recording so thin and poor in Timbre , it made Rex’s horn comment solid as a rock ..!

Help me out and post a website addy .. !

Hmm seems to me the website is in his signature. Are you on your phone or something?

As far as an Instagram video, is that how we are judging the sound of audio equipment now?

 

[Al M.]

As far as an Instagram video, is that how we are judging the sound of audio equipment now?

Yes, with all the flaws that necessarily come with that approach. If you don't want this to happen, then don't post a video. It's that simple.

 

[AudioHR]

Yes, with all the flaws that necessarily come with that approach. If you don't want this to happen, then don't post a video. It's that simple.

Well that is kind of sad!

I do get your point though, why play the game if you think it is stupid. Or if you do play the game make sure your video is representative of what your system sounds like.

 

[Al M.]

Well that is kind of sad!

I do get your point though, why play the game if you think it is stupid. Or if you do play the game make sure your video is representative of what your system sounds like.

That requires an analytical attitude. Yet it may well be that many who make videos think the sound is representative of the system when it is not. They may not hear the actual sound on the video when playing it back, but instead they hear their own memory of what the system sounds like in person.

Have you noticed how sometimes the sound of a musical performance can seem good on TV when you see the musicians playing on the screen, even though the sound is crappy? Only when you close your eyes and concentrate on the actual sound you notice how crappy it is. Similar phenomenon as above: The listeners mind overlays its own expectations on the sound which make it seem better than it really is, based on guiding clues (visual clues here, memory clues in the case of system videos).

 

[Kingrex]

Very interesting - after a few days of REW measurements and lot of woofer walk in my new room I ended up using such technique (two subs at the rear) with success, although I had never read anything on it. Do you know of any links describing it including the set up technique?

My woofer is also in the back of the room. That is where Johan the maker says they usually work well.

 

[LL21]

My woofer is also in the back of the room. That is where Johan the maker says they usually work well.

Ours as well.

 

[microstrip]

My woofer is also in the back of the room. That is where Johan the maker says they usually work well.

Well, IMO it depends on the room. In my previous room the same speaker system sounded much better with them in the front wall.

 

[Lagonda]

Well that is kind of sad!

I do get your point though, why play the game if you think it is stupid. Or if you do play the game make sure your video is representative of what your system sounds like.

And it never really is!