FM Acoustics 711 MK 3

Hi Lloyd,

The Boulder 2150s in my system had better control of the bass, and were much more dynamic both macro and micro. In my system, the FM combo sounded a little more closed and soundstage slightly narrow. I bet they sound amazing in another room and system.

The 3060 still has same signature as the 2150s just better in every way and slightly more forgiving. With the 3060, my system just sounds like the sources I am using. As we exchanged earlier, I am using the VAC statement pre and also the Robert Koda K15ex SG just like yours. Both combos sound amazing, the Koda has more extension in both LF and HF, also super quiet whereas the VAC’s midrange is more magical and fleshed out. I spend an equal amount of time with both of them.
Aha! Yes, that is right...thank you for reminding me! Yes, I find the Robert K15EX to be super pure, very very even keeled and yes, very very quiet. A lot of information just seems to surface up through that extraordinary quiet.

Regarding the FM Amps, personally, I came to a not dissimilar conclusion after my more limited experience with the FM 108 monos. They were mellifluous and impressively so...nuanced and natural, illuminated beautifully and naturally in the highs, and showed great nuance in the music playing of artists. That confirmed what I had read about FMA and all of its legendary status. However, I came away missing the tightfisted power of the Gryphon. My only thought would of course have been to hear the 1811 stereo or their big monos...but the costs escalate dramatically at that point, and so I left it having learned a lot and really learned to appreciate a little bit about what the FMA sound is about.

Now I recognize that the Gryphon is designed with some serious mid-bass heft which adds foundation to a lot of music...a welcome thing for me whether it is true or artifact, I did not care at that time. In sum, I probably would have made a similar decision just based on what I have heard/read about the 3000 series Boulder and your 3060 particularly. It is very very hard to lose that heft once you have it. It can make listening at volume 1 so satisfying because the music feels whole.

Of course, in our case, we went with the full Robert Koda K15EX SG / K160 Monos. Definitely powerful and articulate in the very lowest bass (in fact more powerful and articulate in lowest bass than the Gryphon Mephisto which they replaced) just without the mid-bass extra heft.

Lloyd
 
Hi Lloyd,

The Boulder 2150s in my system had better control of the bass, and were much more dynamic both macro and micro. In my system, the FM combo sounded a little more closed and soundstage slightly narrow. I bet they sound amazing in another room and system.

The 3060 still has same signature as the 2150s just better in every way and slightly more forgiving. With the 3060, my system just sounds like the sources I am using. As we exchanged earlier, I am using the VAC statement pre and also the Robert Koda K15ex SG just like yours. Both combos sound amazing, the Koda has more extension in both LF and HF, also super quiet whereas the VAC’s midrange is more magical and fleshed out. I spend an equal amount of time with both of them.
To be honest, I would have expected the FM amps (without their preamps) to be almost an ideal match for your Wilsons, as oppose to the Boulder units. My "guess" is that the VAC preamp was able to over-perform the FM combo and infuse the Boulder amps with enough life & color and proper musical texture as to make that combo preferable.

Have you had a chance to audition the JMF Audio amps from France by any chance, as from what I know few music producer studios have preferred the JMF to the FM, however that applies to the pro units, however those pro and hi-fi versions should be pretty much identical circuit wise.
 
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Which Wilson model. are we talking about ?
Eff . Impedance?

I have heard the JMF at Hifideluxe many times incl this year 2025 .
Completely different level regarding musicality. / resolution imo

To make a fine comparison we have to have speakers that can be driven by both amps to full control.
And are able to reprodice the resolution


My speakers have very good ( exceptionial)detail retrival
( not my words but the reviewer who reviewed them )

I think FMA would make a damn good match in my personal ,system. i have had Boulder myself control isnt everything .
Pilium is also a control champ as is Karan

But to each his own off course / tastes differ
 
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To be honest, I would have expected the FM amps (without their preamps) to be almost an ideal match for your Wilsons, as oppose to the Boulder units. My "guess" is that the VAC preamp was able to over-perform the FM combo and infuse the Boulder amps with enough life & color and proper musical texture as to make that combo preferable.

Have you had a chance to audition the JMF Audio amps from France by any chance, as from what I know few music producer studios have preferred the JMF to the FM, however that applies to the pro units, however those pro and hi-fi versions should be pretty much identical circuit wise.
Yes you are spot on when describing the combination of VAC preamp and Boulder.

As for JMF, I have heard many good things about the brand, and would love to audition them when the chance comes.

Which Wilson model. are we talking about ?
Eff . Impedance?

I have heard the JMF at Hifideluxe many times incl this year 2025 .
Completely different level regarding musicality. / resolution imo

To make a fine comparison we have to have speakers that can be driven by both amps to full control.
And are able to reprodice the resolution


My speakers have very good ( exceptionial)detail retrival
( not my words but the reviewer who reviewed them )

I think FMA would make a damn good match in my personal ,system. i have had Boulder myself control isnt everything .
Pilium is also a control champ as is Karan

But to each his own off course / tastes differ
I think he was referring to my Alexia V. Agree with you that it all comes down to the matter of personal taste and system dependant.

Funny you mentioned Pilium as my old preamp/power amp were Pilium Olympus/Hercules. I am also using a Karan Master PhonoA and love the unit.
 
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I found some prices on FMA gear .
Are these Vietnamese prices incl sales tax ?
Anyone knows?.

 
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I found some prices on FMA gear .
Are these Vietnamese prices incl sales tax ?
Anyone knows?.

If you notice, prices for some amps are in the billions, so yes seems about right .... :D
 
I found some prices on FMA gear .
Are these Vietnamese prices incl sales tax ?
Anyone knows?.

It’s in euro, I will get you for 65% of that billions amount if you transfer to me
 
This poweramp from fm acoustics made this brand famous, after that goes downhill.
My opion phantastic sounding ampunnamed (5).jpg
 
Lol , no u can click on english right top corner and prices will appear in USD
Both FM and Goldmund, ( and now many other Swiss & American & European hi end brands as well) have decided that they need to have a stratospheric price raise contest, to be taken even more seriously in the South East Asia markets... However looking at their abysmal second hand price dynamic might give a proper indication of their worth.
 
I found some prices on FMA gear .
Are these Vietnamese prices incl sales tax ?
Anyone knows?.

Yes you are right, usually there is much further room for discount though. The pair of FM115s I was offered had really attractive price. I am Vietnamese and living in Vietnam btw.
 
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Manuel huber stated last may that in his opinion the 268 with linearizer was the most special of all the FM products.
I think i heard the 1811 mk2 monos because their website stated they were just introduced.
The 268 with linearizer is off course quit expensive for a pre amp

All manufacturers make high dollar amplifiers these days i compared them all as best as i could the Gryphon Apex comes in second but FM is special .to my ears

The empty box / parts cost discussion has been done already i honestly dont care anymore its SQ im after.

If one wants parts / machining D'Agostino and Boulder are hard to beat .

I heard d agostino relentless on quite a few occasions
 
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As pretty much anything in our hobby, this matter has been "hotly" debated by some, however I'm yet to see anyone do a proper A-B shootout between this classic unit, and their newer amps.
The mains transformers alone are in a different league. The EL core (energy storage) accounts for more than half the weight of the device. I have to digress a bit here. I once had a Bryston 4B First Series, which was upgraded to ST during the 20-year warranty period. When I asked why the mains transformers weren't replaced, I was told that this quality isn't available in the toroidal core format. Later comparisons clearly showed these people were right.
If you have difficult speakers, try to get an FM 600A or 800A. Send it to Switzerland and have it technically checked. After that, you can your stop search about better power amplifier.800a-2.jpg
 
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Check out my DIY power amp .
I only bought the electronic parts and made the casing / heatsink 24 years ago it still works / sounds nice and i still use it when i measure speakers and test speakers .

Switchable 10 watt class A , 20 watts AB .
So a bit limited dynamic wise
 

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SQ has all to do with circuitry much less parts use imo.

If were simply talking speakers everybody can stuff a speaker full with Duelund caps / coils but it doesnt mean it sounds good.

There is probably a good reason FMA pots certain components
If people say i can make the same SQ as FMA for 10 K then go do it
 
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Both FM and Goldmund, ( and now many other Swiss & American & European hi end brands as well) have decided that they need to have a stratospheric price raise contest, to be taken even more seriously in the South East Asia markets... However looking at their abysmal second hand price dynamic might give a proper indication of their worth.

They probably have better ears in Asia. ;)
I m looking already at second hand stuff , rare to find any and if available still big prices,.....
Id like to have something like the 711 mk 3 latest model combined with a fullly balanced pre , the 245 is not fully balanced iirc.
But even a F111 could easily drive my new speakers .
As i discussed my DIY amp today i decided to hook it up again just out of curiousity and 2 times 20 watts is more then enough.
If i wire my big XPE speakers in series then also 20 watts per channel should be fine ( F 111 monos more then enough)
 
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They probably have better ears in Asia. ;)
I m looking already at second hand stuff , rare to find any and if available still big prices,.....
Id like to have something like the 711 mk 3 latest model combined with a fullly balanced pre , the 245 is not fully balanced iirc.
But even a F111 could easily drive my new speakers .
As i discussed my DIY amp today i decided to hook it up again just out of curiousity and 2 times 20 watts is more then enough.
If i wire my big XPE speakers in series then also 20 watts per channel should be fine ( F 111 monos more then enough)

Then if you spend less time in laudation FM Acoustics in WBF you can build the 711mk3 yourself ... https://www.diyaudio.com/community/threads/fm-acoustics-711-schematic.374710/

A friend of mine built a copy of a Dartzeel 108 with selected, well matched components of good quality and it sounds very good in his system. Best value for money I have ever seen if you do not consider his labour time!
 
Then if you spend less time in laudation FM Acoustics in WBF you can build the 711mk3 yourself ... https://www.diyaudio.com/community/threads/fm-acoustics-711-schematic.374710/

A friend of mine built a copy of a Dartzeel 108 with selected, well matched components of good quality and it sounds very good in his system. Best value for money I have ever seen if you do not consider his labour time!

Not my style .

There are heaps of FMA clones for sale on the NET already .
Why even bother to DIY just buy clone for 500 $ :)
 

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